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Romans 9:23. '.... That He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people who were not My people, and her...

I did not say that my sins were still in me. That is not possible since they were laid upon the Lord Jesus. What I said was that there is still sin in me, the relic of my old earthly self. My job is constantly to be putting that to death (Col. 3:5), but my understanding is that in this life...

But never in the Bble. What you don't appear to understand is that τετέλεσται comes from the word τελεω, which is used in the Bible to indicate a debt paid. Surely, with all your studies in Greek, this is not beyond you? I linked to a blog where the writer says that the word is indeed used to...

Maybe this will help people who stumble onto this thread and find the blindingly obvious difficult. τετέλεσται (tetelestai) Tetelestai comes from the word teleo. The word means "to finish", "to complete" or "to fulfill," but in two verses of the Bible it very clearly means "to pay." Matthew...

OK, but I don't think that invalidates my post #73.

Our sins were transferred to the Lord Jesus. 'The LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.' If my sins have been laid upon Jesus, they are no longer on me. To be sure, there is sin in me, and will be until the day I die or until Christ returns, but there is no sin on me. Christ bore my...

I understand that, but if we summarize the purpose of God in the history of man, what do we come to? Maybe this: to display His grace and to magnify His Son in the creating of Children in His own image and glory. That one purpose had multiple parts, and it was all completed at the cross.

I think there are a few other things that were being finished, fulfilled, accomplished etc. 1. All the prophecies concerning our Lord before His death were fulfilled. The last one was Psalm 69:21b (c.f. John 19:28). 2. We see the completion of His sufferings. The cup has been drained to the...

Beware of conflating Abraham with the nation of Israel. 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.'

Colossians 2:13-15, ESV. 'And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by cancelling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This He set aside, nailing it to the...

Mark 16:15. "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature." There are plenty of people who haven't heard the gospel in your town, if not in your street. And if the fate of people in closed Muslim countries troubles you, send some cash to M.E.R.F. or to organizations that beam...

Wiil the sermons be available on Sermon Audio fairly soon? Due to the time difference it will be difficult to hear them live, but they look very interesting.

Look back at post #24. @John of Japan said that teleo and its derivitives were 'polysemous.' I agree with him. The context must decide the meaning in such cases, as it does in the verses under discussion. To translate Matthew 17:24 as "Does your Teacher not fulfil the temple tax?" is at the...

I did not say that they translate the word pay. What I have said is that they all (without exception SFAIK) translate the Greek word teleite in Romans 13:6 as 'pay,' because that it what it means. They also all translate telei (singular) as 'pay' in Matthew 17:24 because that is what it means...

Welcome to the B.B., Otto! :)

:rolleyes: Don't tell me; tell the NIV, ESV, NASB, KJV, NKJV, all of which translate τελεῖτε as 'pay.'

Hello Percho. The word translated 'finished' in James 1:15 is apotelestheisa, which come from apoteleo. Obviously it is very similar to teleo, but it tends to mean, to be perfected' or 'to arrive at full measure.'

You made a mistake. Teleo (τελέω) means to bring to an end, accomplish, fulfill, or pay, as it evidently does in Matthew 17:24 and Romans 13:6. That's all. A good rule of thumb is not to read the English translation of one or two Greek words back into another Greek word. Translation is not...

Oh boy! Here we go again! Matthew 17:24. 'Does your Master not PAY the temple tax?' Romans 13:6. 'For because of this you also PAY taxes.' The Greek word for 'PAY' in both instances is τελέω (teleo), from which we get τετέλεσται (tetelestai). Early in the last century, a German theologian...

There! It's good to know that we agree on something. :)