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I did not need you to tell me that Paulicians , Bogomils and others were rebaptizers. That is very well known, but it is not the point at issue. The question is whether these people were orthodox in their theology. The Petrobusians and Waldenses seem to have been so; the others, not so much...

Well, @Anthony Pritchard, We shall have to agree to disagree. I have seen nothing on line to suggest that Nick Needham or James Attebury were either liars or so ignorant that they didn't look up documents before going to press. If you had come up with anything in writing to prove your case, I...

Well what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Almost none of the original Gnostic writings survive. That is precisely why the only descriptions we have come from hostile ECF writers. If you are going to reject the writers who oppose the Paulicians, to be consistent you must also...

You have switched from singular ("Abraham believed God etc.") to plural ("They did continue...."). I was speaking of no one else but Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Genesis 26:4-5; 28:13-14), certainly not of the bulk of national Israel, which certainly appears to have been devoid of grace (e.g...

Well, so far as I can discover, there are no primary sources for the Paulicians as none of their writings survive. If you have discovered some, please write them out here so that we can see them, but if not, please stop pretending to have knowledge that you do not, which is, after all, the...

Dr. Needham is lecturer in Church History at Highland Theological College, Scotland. Before that he taught Systematic Theology at the Scottish Baptist College in Glasgow. I suggest you read at least some of his work before you patronize him.

:rolleyes: Yes, I do know this. I was writing of Lollards in England, not Church Fathers. I'm sorry if I was not clear. I will be interested if you can point me to anything of this sort available on line. I have read various articles by Anne Hudson and Margaret Aston, but again, nothing...

You seem to be obsessed with Luther; I wonder why.

People may be interested to read of the "Twelve Concusions" of the Lollards: In 1395, the followers of Wycliffe felt confident enough to publish their ‘Twelve Conclusions.’ These were presented to Parliament and attached to the doors of St. Paul’s Cathedral and Westminster Abbey. These are...

@Anthony Pritchard, Because a group held to views distinct from those described by Irenaeus, it does not mean that it was not Gnostic. My source is mostly Dr. Needham's massive 5 volume (so far!) Church History called 2,000 Years of Christ's Power. I don't know how well-known it is in the USA...

There is much I can agree with in this long post. You have not persuaded me that the Church began with Luke 6:13, but when you say: I am in full agreement, save that I believe that the Lord's Supper is more than a memorial. I agree that Ignatius of Antioch was the start of the hierarchical...

@Ascetic X will no doubt answer for himself as he has time, but I very much doubt that any Baptist or Bible-believing Protestant would hold Martin Luther as any authority beyond where his teaching is in line with the Bible; much less as an apostle. A quick flip through this thread did not...

Praying for Kylie and the family. This must be dreadfully tough for you all.

B. If justification is being declared righteous by God, then if Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness, the that was when justification occurred.

@Guido, Are you regularly attending a Bible-believing church and sitting under its ministry? Are you reading the Bible daily and praying regularly? These are God's ordained means for the spiritual growth of Christians. If you are doing these things regularly, then talk to your pastor who, I...

In 1408, Thomas Arundel, Archbishop of Canterbury, published the following decision: 'We therefore legislate and ordain that nobody shall from this day forth translate any text of Holy Scripture on his own authority into English or any other language, whether in the form of a book, pamphlet or...

Well, I am :) Matt. 11:25-26; Luke 10:21-22; John 6:44; Acts 13:48; 16:14; Romans 11:32; 1 Cor. 2:14; Eph. 2:1-10 etc. Before anyone replies to this, may I suggest reading Isaiah 55:8-9 & Romans 11:33-36.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." "The one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out." 'For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.' "He [God] makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and unjust." "For He is kind to the...

So would I. My church is in the progress of planting a church in a neighbouring town. The firm intention is that the 'plant' will become an independent church within two years.

A few words on "Duty-Faith." The expression "Duty-Faith" seems to be the particular stone which is hurled against Andrew Fuller. The question is therefore, is it the duty of men and women to believe the Gospel? Let me ask another question: is it the duty of all men to believe and obey the...