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I have decided that "the believing one" is a better translation than "the continuously believing." John 1:12 is excellent. Whenever in the past the sinner first became a "believing one," he/she was saved that instant. May God richly bless you and thanks a million again. I will leave you with...

I would like to continue this discussion and pick your brain. My sole reference book is Essentials of New Testament Greek, Ray Summers, Broadman Press, 1950. He agrees that the present participle action is contemporaneous with the main verb (p90, para 70). Dr Shirley explains it a little...

After much research, I submit to your superior Greek knowledge. Of the 57 present participles of "believe," only 14 of them are in the context of present-tense controlling verbs. Of those 14, I plead with you to explain John 3:36; 6:35, 47; Rom 1:16; 4:5 and 1 John 5:5. Do you also interpret...

United Europe disappeared when the Roman Empire fell but has re-appeared as a loose confederation. I think this is a sign of the last days. All we need now is for Europe to have some kind of crisis and choose a strong anti-Christ to lead them. God's Messianic kingdom on earth was prophesied by...

Thanks, guys. I love your deep thoughts on this question. We are born the first time as legal sinners and with the propensity to sin; that is our original nature. Now comes the new birth, being born again, a second spiritual birth, a new natdure, a birth to everlasting life (2 Cor 5:17) What...

Why do Christians sin? 2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve...

You come to the Greek text with the full intention of completely ignoring it. You imply that God was wrong for daring to inspire 57 present participles when He should have simply inspired aorist punctiliar verbs. That is your preconceived approach. Do ANYy of the 57 present tense “believe”...

The following is a list of the 57 present participles of “believe” I have identified using a Greek Interlinear and Nathan Han’s, A Parsing Guide to the Greek New Testament. Twenty-nine (29) end with “-eth,” 21 end in “-e,” 4 end with “-ing” and only 4 end with “-ed.” Therefore, 53 of the 57...

Dallas Theological Seminary is Calvinist. Does he teach that salvation does not include faith and is predestined.

I have 18 semester hours in Greek from a fully accredited Arminian college. Incredibly, I have discovered that Baptist Greek scholars and Arminian Greek scholars do not agree. I have pointed out several times that you make the exceptions to the rule the rule which are poor conclusions. Greek...

For your information, the Wikipedia page was produced by a friend without my knowledge.

J of J: Rule 1: The present tense is often not continuative “… the present indicative is also often aoristic.” “Some presents express punctiliar action and a few even express perfective action” REK: “Often,” “some” and “a few” do not negate “normal.” The “normal” use of present participles is...

I found your article. It makes no sense because you did not read the introduction to the 15 texts. The present participles of "believe" PRECEDED the conclusions. You only commented on the conclusions and that was really wrong.

To John of Japan: You misread my post. My post begins with: “The following are 15 of the 57 ‘believe’ participles. When “believe” is fully translated, only those who “continuously” believe will: --- therefore, nothing you have written makes sense.

I am very familiar with subjunctives. Why does John 3:16 says "should have" instead of "would have? Simply because not everybody who continuously believes will continue to believe.

You have not seriously looked at any of my 15 (of 57) examples of "believe" present participles. God inspired them as present continuous verbs and not as one-time aorist past tense verbs. Why?

His sheep have eternal security because His sheep keep on hearing His voice and keep on following Him.

I am not aware of anybody on this thread teaching salvation by works. I gave you 15 of 57 "believe" present participles which all teach that the kind of faith which saves is "continuous faith." John 3:16 is the best known. Its ignored present participle teaches that whosoever "continuously"...

To Van: Evidently, my last post on this thread did not post. Van: In Post #7, you address John 10:27, which has "hear" and "follow" in the present tense. I agree, those born anew sometime in their past are said to in the present still hear and follow, thus they continue their adherence to their...

Forgive me, John I honestly did not see your discussion in the other tread and look forward to its repeat in this thread Monday.