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to "order" is to "cause", whether directly or indirectly. To "use" is something else

Your ignorance of the Scriptures is very clear. the passage from Isaiah 53 very clearly shows that God was indeed pleased that Jesus Christ was the Atoning Sacrifice for the sins of mankind. the "bruising" is the punishment of sins upon Jesus, as Hebrews says that it was for JOY that Jesus went...

You see what you say here, "having purposed to order it to his own glory", is that God predetermined the fall of man. You can change the wording but the meaning is the same. The "Reformed" position is that God "orders" everything that comes to pass, including our sinful actions. Read my other...

then check the multi volume oxford dictionary and come back with your evidence, The Oxford English Dictionary Vol. 7(n-poy) : Not Available : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive What you people fail to realize, is that the Confessions is written to show that God ORDAINED the fall, as...

well show me where "willing" when used to define "pleased" does not have the meaning "willing with pleasure"? I wait for your usage from the time the document was complied.

Instead of foolish exchanges that are getting no where. I suggest you follow this like to the full Oxford English Dictionary in the multi volume set, and check the word "pleased" here and then come back, The Oxford English Dictionary Vol. 7(n-poy) : Not Available : Free Download & Streaming ...

Yes, here it is, " It is someone's choice to do something". So as "pleased" is used for God and not man, the meaning is that it was God's "choice" that man fell, right?

It does NOT say this

"pleased, according to his wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it" Not only "pleased", but also "ordered". This is talking of the fall of man, not God using sin after it entered the world!

Yes, read: "Feeling or showing pleasure and satisfaction, especially at an event or a situation" "Willing or glad to do something" willing - definition of willing in English | Oxford Dictionaries don't fudge it!

I do know. Show me an example from a dictionary that says this? So the word "ordered" also changed? Not according to my Oxford English dictionary that shows no such change

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Pleased pleased adjective - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com Online Etymology Dictionary

"happy and satisfied"

give the source

It is in ENGLISH! "God was pleased" "to permit, having purposed to order it"

no one asked you to view/comment! :Biggrin:rolleyes:

My friend, how can what I have said be "a shameful falsehood" when I am quoting the ACTUAL WORDS? I don't understand you Calvinists, you keep on defending even the undefendable, rather than admit that there ARE ERRORS in the system that you follow. And please don't tell me that you follow on the...

Please READ what it actually written and not what you THINK!

YES, when they repent and become believers :Biggrin

cop you because you know what it says is blasphemy! This is written by CALVINISTS!