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God provides for the conversion. Just as He provided a sacrifice for Abraham (a ram caught in the brush) when God tested his faith in sacrificing his son (sounds familiar doesn't it). The test was not for God, He knew what Abraham would do, as He knows what we will do. Even for those who...

I've never thought to question it ether, although I was aware of the various theories. I know from experience that I have to many thoughts of my own and fall short of total surrender in being led. But as Paul said, I push forward, but in my case praying He will break though my ignorance.

Yes, I certainly agree! Jon, I have a rule that I've lived by all of my adult life. I believe what I believe by faith in being led by the Holy Spirit. I admit that Charlie24 gets in the way at times, and maybe quite often of being led in truth. The Holy Spirit has not confirmed in my spirit...

We are looking through different lenses and see a totally different God, based on God doing the choosing vs the free will given man for him to choose. The Scripture you quoted in Rom. 9 is dealing with the Jews finding fault with God in being dealt with the same as the Gentiles. God has laid...

Once again we go back to Rom. 8, Eph. 1, 2 Thess. 2, where we took separate paths in the application of God's mercy and grace on man. Everything is seen different through that lens.

You my friend do not understand the principle of Rom. 9:18. It's based on God having mercy on those who believe and obey Him, and doubling down with hardness on those who choose not the believe and obey Him. Somewhat as Pharaoh did.

There are wondrous things in the Scripture, but our eyes must be unveiled to them through the Spirit. It's the Spirit that cuts to the heart of man the truth of the Gospel when it's given. It's the Spirit that guides the believer in truth after conversion. Without the Spirit revealing this...

The letter (OT Law) kills man because man can't keep those laws in his fallen condition. The Spirit (NC in Christ) gives life in Christ keeping the Law for us by faith in Him.

The last sentence is where my argument begins with Calvin, although I agree with him on many points. It was necessary for Christ to come, but not because of God's sovereign decree that Adam would fall, but because Adam freely chose to believe Satan rather than God.

Calvin was dead on the money in where man stands with God and what God has done for us to be redeemed. It's the application part that I disagree with. In that application there has been some false doctrine established. That's what I'm trying to point out in my rants and explanations.

I'm sure I don't have it all worked out, but until I can see something that fits other than PSA I'm sticking with it. The Calvinists have a completely different theology throughout the Scripture although I do agree with some things they have concluded.

I suppose it is for those who can't accept the realities of Hell.

And that's just about the bottom line< JonC.

The first and most noticeable difference is the interpretation of Scripture. Dispensationalism follows a literal interpretation until it becomes obvious it's not literal. That's a thorn in the rear of the Calvinists. Covenant Theology starts out in a similar way but has a twist of...

The same could be said of the Reformed/Covenant Theology who have no knowledge of Dispensationalism and no desire to understand it.

Not trying to argue in the negative but only taking the insufficiency of the Old to its logical conclusion.

I think that has already been brought out. Whose fault was it that the Old was not sufficient? Certainly not God being that man has now placed himself at the mercy and grace of God for his very survival. It took time for God to provide a Redeemer for man to be totally redeemed. Man is at...

That's true, Van, but it was the fault of man that placed him in that position.

I think it's simple why there was fault with the Old, "the blood of bulls and goats could not take away sin." It pointed to the One who could and would. But as I mentioned before, that was all that could be done until the atonement that ushered in the New.

Speaking only for myself, I determine if a man or woman is in submission before God's creation model, concerning hair length, in that they make sure they can't be mistaken for the opposite sex. That's out the window in this society, no regard for God's order of submission for the man or woman...