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Prov. 22:6 "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." By far the most used version of the Bible when I was coming up in Church was the KJV. It had been that way since this country (USA) was founded. I followed a long line of kids being taught...

K, that was a challenge for you to prove it is Biblical, good luck!

@easternstar It's a double whammy on me, not only did I misread your post, it wasn't even sent to me. So it's confirmed I'm losing it.

If we just examine ourselves from time to time whether we are in the faith, as Paul said, we have nothing to worry about.

Easterner I guess you think I'm crazy and you could be right! I read your post as "lose" and you said "choose." So my reply had nothing to do with your question. Could you elaborate a little more on them choosing, I could go different ways with that but I'd rather you clarify that for me.

They were just as righteous then as we are now in this life. Salvation was no different, but we have the added luxury of being born-again that gives us the indwelling Holy Spirit they did not have. But we read many times in Scripture when the OT saints were indwelled with the Holy Spirit for a...

The Israelites under the Law were not in the dark, they knew exactly what the sacrifice meant.

No, you will not find those words of mine in Scripture. What you will find is that the Gospel was preached to the Israelites in the wilderness. Heb. 4:12 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them...

We have the same problem today the Israelites had around 4000 years ago keeping the 10 commandments. We have all failed and were condemned, but we try not to steal, commit adultery, etc. just as they did.

When God said "if a man keeps my commandments" He was not speaking of literally keeping the written Law, that was impossible. Although they were expected to try, and true faith would try. He was speaking of the commandment in the Sacrificial System to believe in sacrifice that covered thiers...

The Law condemned us by no one being able to keep it. It showed man his weakness with sin and pointed to the Sacrifice in the Sacrificial System that represented Christ. Faith in the coming Messiah was their salvation. We are saved the same way looking back at that sacrifice at Calvary.

The Law of Moses never saved anyone, it was the curse that condemned us. Salvation has been by faith since the Garden.

The OT saints were saved the same we are by faith being credeited for righteousness. Justification by grace through faith. Ezeckiel 18:21-24 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely...

Jon, how would you explain the OT Scripture that tells us when a righteous man turns from his righteousness he will die in his sins and all the good he had done will not be remembered?

I'm used the discussing doctrine with fellow IFB believers. We are on track and can cut through this to get to that and still be totally understood. I can't do that here, I have to explain every single detail to be understood.

If I knew how a Catholic thinks I would use the correct words they understand. I've noticed that speaking with Catholics we word everything differently.

Have you ever known anything to be settled between a Catholic and a IFB?

It's definitely confusing for a Catholic, we got past that confusion.

Or better yet start a new thread with it. Salty will be terminating this thread very soon.

Walter if possible post that excerpt and let's examine it. This will be fun!