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There has been good argumentation given on both sides and I will ponder on how this all fits together. Thanks to everyone who provided feedback and I do encourage this discussion to continue elsewhere. I would like to request a moderator to close this thread now please.

Is Vanology a thing or is that a nickname you’ve given to @Van?

I appreciate the well thought out answers that have been given. I admit, I do not have a good answer to everything right now. I will absolutely reflect on this some more.

I believe this has to be speaking on human terms. Let’s say that I committed a sin 5 years ago and asked for forgiveness and was forgiven. If I asked Him one day about that moment, what do you think He’s going to tell me? “Sorry, I can’t tell you. That information is no longer revealed to me”...

I haven’t found any scripture that indicates God chooses to limit His knowledge. I have only found that God has have perfect knowledge at all times, otherwise He couldn’t be God. I know the example of Abraham was used when He said “now I know.” If God already knew to begin with I don’t think...

There are good points made on both sides. I’d like to know how you think God knows what’s going to happen in the future if choices we make are not predestined.

Which writings would you recommend? I need to see what this guy has to say.

Double posted, disregard.

Let’s say God did wipe out the Israelites. That would nullify the Messiah and all of the other prophets that were promised to come into existence. This would mean God failed to accomplish His purposes and that can’t be so. Genesis 3:15 (ESV) I will put enmity between you and the woman, and...

And it starts to make more and more sense that a “true feel will” is a will that is enslaved to a corrupt nature. What I am taking away from this thread is that it seems like some here affirm that God’s knowledge of who will and will not be saved has not yet been determined. I start with the...

I haven’t yet come to a final conclusion. I would like to leave the discussion open that way I can consider all possibilities.

I'm glad you brought this up. Genesis 50:20 (ESV) As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today. So you admit God used Joseph's brothers to accomplish His goals. Did God know ahead of time that...

I quoted Wiersbe/Spurgeon because that seems to be the position some on here hold to and I explained why I find it difficult to accept. I don't want to be called any type of [insert label here] Christian. I have been asking simple, logical questions and so far I have not found any convincing...

Could it also be slanderous if I were to admit that God knows the future perfectly, yet at the same time claim that I have the power to make decisions that could nullify that knowledge? Thus making God no different than the false gods mentioned in Isaiah 41 if the future isn't 100% determined...

Does the fact that the Son limits His omniscience by necessity mean that the Father limits His omniscience?

I don't believe that I am using any man made philosophies. I'm not even looking at the most common Calvinist proof texts such as John 6, Romans 9, Ephesians 1. My foundation to getting to the bottom of this is starting at Isaiah 41 which says that the test of a true God is one who can infallibly...

I would say that God absolutely knows all of the potential outcomes of any potential realities He could create. If I said no then I am limiting His power. Yes, this is something I don't know if any of us can fully understand. I have always assumed that this has to do with the fact that He...

If God’s knowledge of the future doesn’t change, then I don’t see how this works because now it depends on the decision Kevin makes, potentially invalidating God’s knowledge. It also creates a moment in time in which God has no idea what is going to happen because he is letting Kevin determine...

This leads me to the conclusion that the reason why some are saved and some are lost is part of how the fabric of time has been woven by a sovereign God.

Okay we can say that "he would" remain lost. Logically it follows then that if God has infallible knowledge that he is going to hell, he would remain lost for the rest of his life. Would you agree?