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Hope is faith that God will do what he promised and placing our desire upon it. That is why the greatest is Charity, when all promises are completed, hope (what God has promised to accomplish and we rest assured that He is faithful to his promise) no longer exists (for we have what we hoped...

Are there any books put out by holders of the minority view?

The information to here has been very informative, Thank you. I have bookmarked his page and will check him out While I do not currently accept your position, you have now given me new information to study - I will attend to that. As I only use the KJV, I did not recognize that you were using...

Which Lexicon did you use? Or are you just using the 166 times that the word is translated "now" - as opposed to the 1237 times it is translated "but", the 934 times it is translated "and", the 132 times it is translated "then", the 18 times it is translated "also", etc. - to obfuscate the...

The title of this thread includes the question "Am I missing something?" I then stated what I see and asked the question "Am I missing something?" again - thereby turning the entire post into one long question. Sorry if you did not understand what I did.

My concern is that I was taught that adoption occurs in the same instant that we believe and I do not see sufficient evidence for it in scripture. If we have moved from the historical context of the word adoption and are teaching wrongly, then we are in error - and that's a problem. Since it is...

The only difference I see here in your answer as opposed to mine is the statement concerning justification. You are referring to when justification was accomplished; whereas, I was referring to when that justification was applied to me. I agree that we have been promised adoption and that we...

Let me explain Roman Law a little further - the only person in the family that had the authority to adopt was the Pater Familius - the Father of the Family. In my case that would be my Dad. I am a grandfather, and my dad would have the right to move my grandchild to the legal position of being...

If the new birth is a legitimate birth, then, even prior to the adoption, I am God's child.

On "Abba, Father", the statement "Abba, Father" occurs three times in Scripture. 1. Mar 14:36 - Jesus calls God the Father, "Abba, Father" 2. Gal 4:6 - the Holy Spirit ("Spirit of his Son") cries "Abba, Father" in the Christian's heart 3. Rom 8:15 - the Christian cries "Abba, Father" by the...

However, I did not mention (and I should have) that yours was the best reply I have ever heard to this question. You stuck to the Bible to give an answer, and I appreciate it.

Once again, a statement as fact without a proof, please present a proof.

(2) The Greek word for 'adoption' (huiothesia) is used both of the Israelites (Romans 9:4-8) and of believers in general (Galatian 4:5; Romans 8:15, 23; Ephesians 1:5; [John 1:12; 1 John 3:1-3!] ) and is implied particularly when we are called 'sons/children of God." So, if I am understanding...

number one, you made a statement as though it is fact, and did not give a proof. number two, at the moment of our salvation, we entered that moment as an alien from the common wealth of Israel - and the adoption pertains to Israel in Romans 9. Therefore, according to Roman law, we were not...

You seem to be quoting people and not answering questions. "The Bible speaks of salvation is in terms of adoption into God’s family." - Salvation is completed in three phases, 1. Justification, 2. Sanctification, 3. Glorification. Please specify which phase you are referring to. "The focus of...

So, I am wondering if I am missing something. It is my understanding that in Biblical Rome, the standard custom of adoption was to adopt a person who was full grown and had already proven their value to the adopting family. (This is for Historical context). I understand Romans 8:15 to mean...