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I want to extend a great thank you to the people of this board, you know who you are.:wavey: I am so grateful that I had the time to spend here on this site, thank you for challenging my beliefs and faith. Thank you Darron Steele, you were the most challanging and you were so right...

Sin is depected for us in scripture as an action of choice. Its lusting and desiring something that God has deemed contrary to His good purpose and will. It would seem that everything that man does will fall short of the perfection of God. God obviously knew that this would be a case of...

If Christ did come in the likeness of the "Sinful Flesh" and therefore did not sin then it was still choice. I guess it goes back to the "Sin because your a sinner" or "Sinner because you sinned". We would understand Christ to be neither. He can identify with us in all things, yet because of the...

RAdam Can you show us all the passage that says that Christ came in the "SINFUL FLESH"? And just out of curiosity could you explain in what the phrase "Sinful Flesh" means since you believe that Christ came in the likeness of?

RAdam wrote: Actually the quote from Hebrews 2 goes like this: Heb 2:17 17 Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. NASU In...

HP Wrote: This is the bottom line, like it or not! Thank you HP. If we are born sinful degenerate, with blackened soul destined to hell, and we can not help the fact that God has cursed us with the sins of our fathers than who should we blame for our condition, ourselves? Knowing that...

11Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. 12Restore to me the joy of Your salvation And sustain me with a willing spirit. I always find it interesting that David with all his knowledge of God would declare such an idea that...

Steaver Wrote: You said babies die as a result of original sin, yet if all babies are born with original sin would they not all die then? If death is a result of original sin and if the damning sin is rejection of Christ how is it that you conclude that babies or infants right out of the...

5Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me. This passage says nothing about David being born sinful or being born depraved, or being born with inherited sin. The passage clearly indicates that David was brought forth in iniquity, not full of...

Steaver wrote: To which scripture are you refering to? Does God curse babies with other mans sins? c.f. Eze.18 Is God the author of man's soul, does God create children of the Devil. If a child is born sinful, depraved, apart from God then they are children of the Devil by default...

The word says that God is the author of our souls. If every baby born has a soul then God gives that soul to them. I doubt that He gives them a dead soul. Scripture only speaks of two types of people, children of God and children of Satan, either children are born children of God or children...

I must say that this is one of the best discussions I have read on this board in a long time. What a study thank you all for these stimulating conversations, they really have gotten me to think about this topic a lot!!!!!

You know I do. Do you believe that babies that are born sinful that die go to hell? Thats the implication of that doctrine, yet nobody wants to admitt it.

So we are born transgressing God's law? Then explain when a baby dies at birth how it transgressed God's laws and rejected Christ? According to that teaching the baby goes to hell right? How does a baby reject Christ? If rejecting Christ is the damning sin then a baby is born damned, so explain...

All unforgiven sins damn. Do all sins reject Christ, YES? If sin is transgression against God and Christ is God, then it seems to me that in a logical way rejecting Christ can be the damning sin, since all sin is a direct rejection of God's laws. The question to ask is whether or not a sin is...

1 Peter 5:1-3 V1 -- Peter is addressing elders. V2 -- Their work is to shepherd (NKJV; "tend" -- ASV; "feed" -- KJV) the flock. Again, the verb form of "pastor" or shepherd is used. They also serve as overseers (NKJV; exercise or take the "oversight" -- ASV, KJV). This is the verb form of...

Acts 20:17,28-30 V17 -- Paul is addressing the elders of the Ephesian church. V28 -- The Holy Spirit made them bishops (ASV; "overseers" -- KJV). Their job was to shepherd (NKJV; "feed"-- KJV; "tend" -- ASV) the flock. This uses the verb form of "pastor". V29,30 -- Their duty to act as...

Sorry, you missed the point. Scripture speaks of pastors in a plurality and as men not women.

WOMEN PASTORS? Do you mean women preachers, a preacher and a pastor does not necessarily mean the same thing? A pastor is an elder, bishop, shepard and when scripture speaks of them it does so in the plural sense. How can a women be a husband of one wife? 1This is a true saying, if...

What does the bible say about being naked morally? Besides I am not a mouth piece for the COC. Besides the clothes are not the thing being cleansed it is the person. Just as all these other issues are not dealing with worship, the things offered in worship that are not authorized are the...