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“Works”

NetChaplain

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As Scripture attests, there’s nothing people can do of themselves to effect salvation and must ask for it from God. This involves asking Him to give you faith in His Son and in all He has done to provide salvation. Before an attempt is made to declare that asking for, receiving and applying faith is a “self-work,” it should be remembered that neither grace, faith nor salvation are of “yourselves” (Eph 2:8), therefore disqualifying all as “works” of man (Eph 2:9)!

The only works of godliness are those which exist within “the fruit of the Spirit,” which means works only serve in demonstrating or manifesting, but not producing His fruit. For example, “justify” consists of two definitions: 1) to make one righteous, 2) to show one righteous; and there is an infinite difference between the two. I believe a good example is James 2:24: “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified.” Here the sense of “justify” falls into definition 2, for as all know, only the Blood of Christ can “justify” per definition 1 (Rom 5:9). So, works but do not effect righteousness, but manifests it.

Anyone can appear to have faith by the outward lifestyle which is conducted (indicative appearance), but only a genuine believer can confirm faith in the Lord Jesus by a permanent perseverance of profession and works. Nobody, esp. one unregenerate can permanently maintain a nominal (in word or name only - Isa 29:13; Mat 15:8; Mar 7:6) position in Christ, for they always abandon their hypocrisy (apostatize – 1Jn 2:19), as it requires Divine support to “be held up: for God is able to make him stand” (Rom 14:4).

Only God can know for certain that one is genuinely in Christ. Individuals can know for certain concerning genuine personal salvation by His Spirit (Rom 8:16; 1Jo 4:13), but certainty for us concerning others can only be in the hope of a doubtless acceptance resulting from one’s lifestyle of a continued profession; which is exemplary of the truth that all of “the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable” (non-annullable - Rom 11:29).


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Reformed

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I am basically in agreement with your OP except for one important thing. It is the Holy Spirit that makes us capable of faith. Go back a few verses in Ephesians 2. Ephesians 2:1 states the sinner is dead in his trespasses and sins. The sinner is dead to the things of God (because of sin) and is incapable of exercising faith while that position persists (Romans 8:7; 1 Corinthians 2:14). The Holy Spirit first makes the sinner capable of believing, then faith/belief takes place.
 

NetChaplain

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I am basically in agreement with your OP except for one important thing. It is the Holy Spirit that makes us capable of faith. Go back a few verses in Ephesians 2. Ephesians 2:1 states the sinner is dead in his trespasses and sins. The sinner is dead to the things of God (because of sin) and is incapable of exercising faith while that position persists (Romans 8:7; 1 Corinthians 2:14). The Holy Spirit first makes the sinner capable of believing, then faith/belief takes place.
Hi and appreciate your comments! I agree, because among the fruit of Spirit is "faith," which I understand is in the sense of believing without physical proof. He provides this ability (as you've mentioned), as He is the Creator of our new birth ("born of the Spirit").

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NetChaplain

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This is not true. One only needs to believe God for the salvation which God gives us through His Son alone (John 6:47).
I agree with you that salvation is only through Christ, but we do disagree about the reception of it. It's my understanding that it involves "asking," "seeking and receiving ("open" self to it - e.g. Mat 7:7). But how one thinks salvation is received is not as important as the actual reception of it, which we all agree is only "through faith."
 
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I agree with you that salvation is only through Christ, but we do disagree about the reception of it. It's my understanding that it involves "asking," "seeking and receiving ("open" self to it - e.g. Mat 7:7). But how one thinks salvation is received is not as important as the actual reception of it, which we all agree is only "through faith."
Yes, the promise of asking is good. But the asking is not the requirement, the requirement is believing the forgivness God provides. ". . . How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? . . ." -- Romans 10:14. Romans 4:5. John 8:47. Ephesians 2:8. John 3:16.
 

NetChaplain

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Yes, the promise of asking is good. But the asking is not the requirement, the requirement is believing the forgivness God provides. ". . . How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? . . ." -- Romans 10:14. Romans 4:5. John 8:47. Ephesians 2:8. John 3:16.
It's okay if we don't believe the same about the concept of asking. We know if we believe it's only because faith is given to us; though I see "calling on the Lord" is in the form of asking.
 
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