(1 Cor. 15:45,47)

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(45) "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."

(47) "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven."

What do these two verses mean in regards to the titles given Adam and Christ? In other words, explain the use of the titles given.

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Does it mean that the first Adam did not have a spirit?

 

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Does it mean that the first Adam did not have a spirit?

No. As a matter interpertation, of a natural birth and the new birth in Christ. And our current natural bodies and the promised resurrection bodies. That is how I undersrand it.
1 Corinthians 15:45-49, ". . . And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. . . ."

 

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So Adam before he ate did not know the difference between good and evil. All he had to go on was the word of God, so when he ate his spirit died?

 

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So Adam before he ate did not know the difference between good and evil. All he had to go on was the word of God, so when he ate his spirit died?

That is one interpertation of him dying do to eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. We all are dead do to that knowledge of good and evil.

 

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My question in post #(1) concerns the titles given to Adam and Christ. What do they mean?

Adam =First Adam and First Man (1 Cor. 15:45)

Christ =Last Adam and Second Man (47)

Those titles given to Adam are more easier understood than those given Christ. In other words, how is Christ the Last Adam and Second Man?

Why call Christ the Last Adam and not the Second Adam, as He was called the Second Man?

The reference to Christ as the Second Man is to me the most difficult. Why call Christ the Second Man? How is He the Second Man, when in the course of people born, He was not the Second Man?

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Perhaps there are some newer people here now who might consider the above questions. I certainly I have an answer that I believe satisfies, but in one area, not completely.

I believe these are important and if there is no response, I will give my opinion in a day or so.

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That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6
but the death did reign from Adam till Moses, even upon those not having sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of him who is coming. Rom 5:14
but that which is spiritual is not first, but that which was natural, afterwards that which is spiritual. ! Cor 15:46
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Cor 15:50
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:7

Hebrews 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man (Singular), that thou art mindful of him? or the son (?Son?) of man (Singular), that thou visitest him?

Jesus came like the first man Adam and in death was the last Adam of that type and by the resurrection from the dead the Second Adam as spiritual.

Consider
2 Cor 5:14-16 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Col 1:18 YLT And himself is the head of the body -- the assembly -- who is beginning, first-born out of the dead, that he might become in all -- himself -- first,
Rom 8:29 YLT because whom He did foreknow, He also did fore-appoint, conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be first-born among many brethren;

 

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That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6
but the death did reign from Adam till Moses, even upon those not having sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of him who is coming. Rom 5:14
but that which is spiritual is not first, but that which was natural, afterwards that which is spiritual. ! Cor 15:46
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Cor 15:50
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:7

Hebrews 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man (Singular), that thou art mindful of him? or the son (?Son?) of man (Singular), that thou visitest him?

Jesus came like the first man Adam and in death was the last Adam of that type and by the resurrection from the dead the Second Adam as spiritual.

Consider
2 Cor 5:14-16 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Col 1:18 YLT And himself is the head of the body -- the assembly -- who is beginning, first-born out of the dead, that he might become in all -- himself -- first,
Rom 8:29 YLT because whom He did foreknow, He also did fore-appoint, conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be first-born among many brethren;

How did Jesus come like the first man Adam? He didn't.

How is Jesus in death the last Adam?

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How did Jesus come like the first man Adam? He didn't.

How is Jesus in death the last Adam?

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How did Jesus come like the first man Adam?

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Rom 5:14
But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man *Singular Adam), that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man (Singular, Jesus), that thou visitest him? <Heb 2:6, Heb 2:14> Forasmuch then as the children (Plural of Adam) are partakers of flesh and blood, he (Jesus) also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

How is Jesus in death the last Adam?

The death of the last Adam Jesus was the end of that type of Adam, soulish man. The resurrection of Jesus bringing forth the second man, of a different type, spiritual man.

1 Cor 15:47,49
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall (vi Fut Act 1 Pl) also bear the image of the heavenly.

It was the plan before the foundation of the world.

 

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How did Jesus come like the first man Adam?

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Rom 5:14
But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man *Singular Adam), that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man (Singular, Jesus), that thou visitest him? <Heb 2:6, Heb 2:14> Forasmuch then as the children (Plural of Adam) are partakers of flesh and blood, he (Jesus) also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

How is Jesus in death the last Adam?

The death of the last Adam Jesus was the end of that type of Adam, soulish man. The resurrection of Jesus bringing forth the second man, of a different type, spiritual man.

1 Cor 15:47,49
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall (vi Fut Act 1 Pl) also bear the image of the heavenly.

It was the plan before the foundation of the world.

It is true that Adam in a figure points to Jesus Christ. (Rom. 5:14) That doesn't explain why Jesus is called the 'Last Adam' or the 'Second Man'. Cain and Able took part of flesh and blood also. And many others were born and died after Christ also. In other words, Jesus was not the Last Adam in the sense you are using it.

And concerning the Second Man, Yes, the resurrection plays a role. But, really, that makes Christ a 'first'. Because Adam was not resurrected. In reality, Cain was the second man.

In other words, all that you say is true about what God was/is doing with Christ. But, the terms 'last' and 'second' don't appear to fit...to me.

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Here is my understanding of the terms 'Last Adam' and 'Second Man' when applied to Christ. (1 Cor. 45,47)

God deals with man on the basis of 'federal headship'. One representing the all. There are only two men who are representatives of the human race. The first is Adam. The last is Christ. It is common for Christians at times to refer to Christ as the 'Second Adam'. But that is incorrect. He is always the 'Last Adam'. Why? Because there will never be another. If you use the term 'Second', you imply that there will be a third and fourth, etc. etc.

See (Rom. 5:12-21) So, because Adam is the head of his race, his sin is attributed to his race. Thus all are born sinners. Except Jesus Christ, due to the Virgin Birth. You can be an evil person in Adam's race. You can be a good person in Adam's race. Doesn't matter. You are fallen because you are in Adam's race. Enter another Adam, the Last Adam, Christ.

God did not make 'another Adam' completely separated from Adam's fallen race. He had to be of that race in order to redeem that race. And the Virgin Birth broke the line of sin from Adam but allowed Christ to be of Adam's race. And now, just as all those born in Adam are sinners because of Adam's sin, all those in Christ are made righteous due to Christ's work and faithfulness. Christ is the 'Last Adam'. The last representative of the human race.

The first man Adam, was of God. Both Adam and Eve were children of God. Adam was representative of his race. And he fell causing all of his race to fall. But, another seed line was introduced into those born of Adam. See (Gen. 3:15) "And I will put enmity between thy seed and her seed...." You will have now born of Adam, those who are of God or of satan. And Adam's first born was of satan, of his seed. (1 John 3:12) "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one...." Not as some of the Pharisees that contended with Christ. (John 8:47) "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." (John 8:44) "Ye are of your father the devil...."

God counts His people. Their number is important to Him and he knows and knew them all before he created the world. (Eph. 1:4) Have you ever noticed the brief information God gives of the line of Cain, who is of satan? (Gen. 4:16-24) Then compare that given with the line of Seth, who were of God. (Gen. 4:24-5:32) Note each ones death is mentioned. Why? (Ps. 116:15) "Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints."

Because those of God and those of satan are both born into Adams race, God only counts those of Him. And His count must be based upon those in the Last Adam. Thus Christ is the Second Man, with all the redeemed numbered after Him. Christ is the Second Man because there will be a third and fourth to follow, who are the redeemed. Adam is redeemed but remains as the first man because Christ must be of Adam also.

Thus Christ is the Last Adam and the Second Man.

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