100 Women of the Century

When did Central and South America move? I think nationals in these various countries would use their country names to identify their citizenship. So you have a good suggestion ... except that American has come to be equivlent to citizen of the USA

 

Amen Brother Frogman!!!

Hanoi Jane should have been tried for treason long ago. Of course the list is made up by the liberals, and such the stench of iniquity doth abound. For instance Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinam are also on the list.

In the case of Sanger one should research the term eugenics, and the 1927 Geneva council on World Population. The goal was to limit reproduction by those less desirable elements of the population. Hitler carried out eugenics to a natural conclusion.

A servant of Christ,
Drew

 

Dear Caretaker and Frogman... Don't you think that if you are going to post something about another fellow sister in Christ that you should at least have your facts straight? Seems the Christian way.. don't you think?


There's no disputing that Jane Fonda toured North Vietnam, propagandized on behalf of the communists, and participated in an orchestrated "press conference" with American POWs in 1972. There's no denying that she defamed POWs by whitewashing the Viet Cong's treatment of them and later calling them liars when they spoke out.
But how true are the further allegations in these email rumors? Let's examine their veracity point by point, beginning with the most serious:
• Claim: Fonda betrayed POWs by turning over slips of paper they gave her to their captors. POWs were beaten and died as a result.
• Status: FALSE.
"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, whom I reached by phone at his home in Arizona. Carrigan, who was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967, says he has no idea why this story was attributed to him. "I never met Jane Fonda," he told me. It goes without saying he never handed her a secret message.
He confessed that he did see Jane Fonda once while he was a POW – on film. The occasion was a night when Carrigan and the other 80 or so men he was interned with were called out into the prison courtyard – "the first time we'd been outside under the stars in 5 or 6 years." As the men stood there wondering what was in store for them, a movie projector began whirring behind them. Their captors were showing them footage of Fonda's 1972 visit to Hanoi.
• Claim: A POW spit at Fonda, for which he was brutally beaten.
• Status: FALSE.
This story is attributed in the email to former Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll, who says it's false and did not originate from him. I wasn't able to speak with him directly, but Mike McGrath and Paul Galanti, fellow officers of the Nam-POWs organization to which Driscoll belongs, told me he unequivocally disavows the story.
[UPDATE: After this commentary was written I received personal confirmation from Jerry Driscoll that the story is indeed bogus – as he put it, "the product of a very vivid imagination."]
Mike McGrath, currently serving as the president of Nam-POWs, has worked hard to help Driscoll and Carrigan squelch the false rumors circulating under their names.
"They would like to get their names removed but the story seems to have a life of its own," he told me. "There are a lot of folks out there who would love to have a story like that to hang their hat and their hate on."
• Claim: POWs were beaten for refusing to cooperate or meet with Fonda during her visit.
• Status: TRUE.
The final anecdote in the "Hanoi Jane" email recounts the experience of a POW who agreed to meet with Fonda but announced to his captors that he planned on telling her how horrid conditions in North Vietnamese prison camps really were.
"Because of this," the narrative continues, "I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped."
Those words were written by Michael Benge, a civilian advisor captured by the Viet Cong in 1968 and held as a POW for 5 years. When I contacted him, Benge confirmed that the story was indeed his own, and true.
Benge's original statement, entitled "Shame on Jane," was published in April by the Advocacy and Intelligence Network for POWs and MIAs. The nameless, faceless author of the "Hanoi Jane" email evidently picked it up from that or another Web page or newsgroup and combined it with fabricated stories to create the much-forwarded message. Some versions now circulate with Benge's name appended, others quote his statement anonymously.
'None of us are members of the Jane Fonda Fan Club'
A good cause is never well served by lies, and that's how all of the ex-POWs I spoke or corresponded with about the falsehoods in this message felt. Paul Galanti said: "None of us are members of the Jane Fonda Fan Club, but these fabrications are something she just did not do."
No one had an answer to the questions, "Who made up these stories, and why?" but both Carrigan and McGrath expressed serious doubt that it was a POW.
"She did enough to place her name in the trash bin of history," McGrath explained. "None of us need to make up stories on her."
Jane Fonda could not be reached for comment.
Last updated: 01/27/03

Read the whole story here.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.htm

 

I read about this also, but it was on a site called truth or myth (something like that). It was declared a myth.
Christine

 

Despite the fact that these email anecdotes may of may not be true, it is a fact that Hanoi Jane gave aid and comfort to the enemy. She used her celebrity status protest the war on the soil of the enemy, while propagating lies about the condition of our POWs.

It is also factual that she gleefully sat in the seat of an anti-aircraft weapon.

As far as I know, she has offered no apologies or displayed remorse for her actions.

Edit: Bobfrgsn, I didn't read your post fully as I see you have also noted her actual crimes while disputing the emails. My apologies.

 

I personally saw her do an interview on television where she was asked about this, and she expressed her shame, her remorse and her deep appologies. I believe it was on a Barbara Walters Interview, and was several years ago.

I was born in 1962, so I was pretty young when this happened.

You may or may not choose to believer she was sincere. But to my decernment, there was something real about the sadness in her eyes when she spoke of it with regret. She referred to her actions as "stupid".

Not that this will probably matter to anyone, but she was pretty young when all of this happened. Who among us hasn't done something that we are profoundly ashamed of and sorry for from our youth that we have to live with for the rest of our lives? If God can forgive, why can't people? This happened when I was a child...and I'm middle aged now. Well...anyhow that's how I feel about it.

 

quoting pdp

Not only did she apologize (see wisdom seeker) she became a born again Christian a few years ago and I am thinking that that is what ended her marriage to Ted Turner. I violently opposed the needless slaughter of both Vietnamise and G. I. and the whole war ... but there is nothing to justify Fonda's action. But as some of those who were falsely quoted we should deal in truth .... which in her case was bad enough.

 

I would say she should have forgiveness if she has repented, and she is a sister IF she has truly come to Christ. As with Frogman she should not be considered one of the 100, for is it not for her "activism" during Vietnam, that she is on the list in the first place?

The list appears to be composed for liberals by liberals. For myself I would nominate Rachel Saint, who took the Gospel to the Auca Indians of Ecuador, after her husband Nate and the others were speared to death by the very ones she eventually led to salvation.

A servant of Christ,
Drew

 

(I second that nomination Drew)

Very true. Those who had friends and family die in Viet Nam may forgive Hanoi Jane; but unlike God, we will never forget.

 

WisdomSeeker & Bobfrgsn,

It's good to know I was wrong about her apology. Thanks for the info.

Paul