147,000 troops stay in Iraq

Every adventure is easier to get into, than to get out of.

It is the nature of traps to be so.

 

The problem is no one is trying to get Iran under control with regards to both Iraq and the Palistinians. Cut off I rans ability to effect change in these areas then it will be over.

 

We need triple the troops in iraq, we need troops in Isreal, we need to openly expose what Iran is doing, and fight it in the press, the UN, and pull them out of their (Irans) covert status.

 

Escalation is what I am sugesting. the alternative is to allow racist Islamists to remain covert. I say stamp them out instead of dragging it out. More lives are lost in actually addressing the problem. which we are not doing.

 

We couldn't escalate that much without bringing back the draft.

It would be Vietnam all over again.

 

The problem was created when the only stablizing power in the Arab world was taken out by invading Iraq. You may not have liked Saddam, but he did keep relative order over there,,,they feared him...they don't fear us.:tonofbricks:

Cheers,

Jim

 

Saddam was a wicked despot, but he was a clear figure with clear power.

Now all we have is a nebulous amalgamation of rival factions.

I'm not saying I wanted Saddam in power, but I'm not sure if the solution really is that much better than the problem.

 

Or, that particular solution...there may have been others.

 

That's very true, Daisy.

 

They dont fear us not because we cant take them out but because they know there is a portion of our country that supports them.

 

That portion is very small and not very influential. Just because someone isn't pro-invading every nation on the earth doesn't make him/her a terrorist sympathizer.

What is our goal in Iraq? Democracy? Or a puppet government that rubberstamps US policy? We can't have both.

IMO, a truly democratic regime in Iraq isn't going to be all that pro-American.

EDIT: I believe that's a very naive perspective anyway. To think that the average Iraqi insurgent fights because he has moral support from elements America is absolutely ridiculous. They fight because they are radically opposed to anything other than their exact way of thinking (other Muslim groups included).

I just can't believe that Mr. Bomberman is sitting in his Baghdad flat watching the CBS evening news thinking..."NOW! I can feel free to attack now because not everyone is behind Bush!"

 

I havent seen where anyone said that.

Im not sure where anyone got that idea.

Pure speculation.

I havent seen any thing said to that. I have seen it said that they arent afraid of us. Two different things.

Does it give them encouragement when they get support from a large portion of the country. absolutely!

 

Then why dont you get out of your comfortable job and easy chair in your office, sign up again, and lead the charge. Lets see if you really believe your premise enough to put your life on the line, instead of sitting back and watching the nightly news and waving a flag.

 

I served in the United States Marine Corps as a military policeman for four years. I was ready to go in a moments notice. Because I cannot go now doesnt mean I have no say.