1611 KJV only and anger

[beameup]

I have noticed recently that those from a "KJV ONLY" persuasion seem to get angry quickly when someone posts a question on their forum.
It seems that they are very quick to demand "banning" and resort quickly to name-calling and labeling of anyone who merely asks a question.
Is this a result of attempting to base your entire theology on the King James Bible without any other resources whatsoever?
Or do KJV ONLY believers believe that God wants them to be quick to anger?

Just wondering.

 

[Jerome]

"their forum"?

Last time I checked there is no "KJV ONLY" forum here.

There are many "Baptist ONLY" forums however.

Is that what you are talking about?

 

[matt wade]

Last I checked the angriest person on this entire forum is the person who preaches against KJVO the most. There was even a thread recently where everyone that agrees with him theologically were telling him that he is too angry.

 

[Alcott]

Did the original poster mean on this web site, or on others where KJVO is clearly the mode? I have been on some of those-- mostly years ago, as I got banned quickly from nearly all of them. So this is a subject I rarely post about anywhere. But I do agree that anger seems to characterize these people when they see the slightest hint that a new poster may not be completely in agreement with them.

 

[beameup]

A KJV only forum. Also, I noticed this at a KJV only IFB church that I briefly attended.
Maybe overly "defensive"?

For example, they claim that Strong (Strong's Concordance) was a "heretic"
when I mentioned that I use Strong's NUMBERS to track Gk/Heb words.
By implication, then I too was a "heretic" because I did not depend ENTIRELY on the "King's English" perfect Word of God.

 

[DiamondLady]

I have noticed recently that those from a "KJV ONLY" persuasion seem to get angry quickly when someone posts a question on their forum.
It seems that they are very quick to demand "banning" and resort quickly to name-calling and labeling of anyone who merely asks a question.
Is this a result of attempting to base your entire theology on the King James Bible without any other resources whatsoever?
Or do KJV ONLY believers believe that God wants them to be quick to anger?

Just wondering.

Isn't that a bit of a blanket statement...sort of like, "all apples are red." I think you've been unfortunate in the dealings you've had with a few overly zealous people. Not all KJV readers are adamant or mean.

 

[preacher4truth]

A KJV only forum. Also, I noticed this at a KJV only IFB church that I briefly attended.
Maybe overly "defensive"?

For example, they claim that Strong (Strong's Concordance) was a "heretic"
when I mentioned that I use Strong's NUMBERS to track Gk/Heb words.
By implication, then I too was a "heretic" because I did not depend ENTIRELY on the "King's English" perfect Word of God.

Yup. Forgot about that. Speak about the Greek and they ridicule this and cast you out as a heretic. Thanks for that reminder! :thumbsup:

 

[preacher4truth]

Isn't that a bit of a blanket statement...sort of like, "all apples are red." I think you've been unfortunate in the dealings you've had with a few overly zealous people. Not all KJV readers are adamant or mean.

Who said this was to and limited to KJV "readers?" Nothing about this is about KJV "readers." Your point is invalid, erroneous and baseless. Nice try, but no go.

 

[Winman]

Who said this was to and limited to KJV "readers?" Nothing about this is about KJV "readers." Your point is invalid and erroneous and baseless. Nice try, but no go.

I am King James only, but I use Strongs Concordance all the time. My church is KJB only and our pastor frequently tells us the Greek behind the English text. We don't teach or preach that a person can only get saved through the KJB.

We are not Ruckmanites, those are the extreme folks, and from my experience they are a small minority of KJB only.

I see folks bad-mouth KJB only here constantly, doesn't make me angry. I am secure with what I believe.

 

[Old Union Brother]

I'm KJ perferred. I know the sight that beameupis talking about....got banned because I told them that nothing man made is perfect and that they were very close to worshiping Ruckman. Banned for 6 months....haven't posted there since the ban was lifted. Not worth the effort.

 

[beameup]

I am King James only, but I use Strongs Concordance all the time. My church is KJB only and our pastor frequently tells us the Greek behind the English text. We don't teach or preach that a person can only get saved through the KJB.

We are not Ruckmanites, those are the extreme folks, and from my experience they are a small minority of KJB only.

I use King James exclusively as it is online and has the Strong's numbering system built into it.
The King James gives me pause as I try to figure out exactly what the Holy Spirit is trying to communicate.
This leads me to an in-depth understanding of the Scripture and great "insights" and often my own "paraphrase".

However, these KJO folks seem to have elevated the King James Version to the level of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. :BangHead:

 

[Winman]

I use King James exclusively as it is online and has the Strong's numbering system built into it.
The King James gives me pause as I try to figure out exactly what the Holy Spirit is trying to communicate.
This leads me to an in-depth understanding of the Scripture and great "insights" and often my own "paraphrase".

However, these KJO folks seem to have elevated the King James Version to the level of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. :BangHead:

Well, you would probably include me in that last statement.

Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

King James only folks perhaps have a higher view of scripture than most others (general statement). We believe the KJB is the only accurate word of God in English. I do believe the CT is a corrupt text.

KJB only folks like me believe this by faith, I cannot prove my position scientifically. I simply believe that God is perfect and desires we know him, so he has preserved a perfect text. I believe the TR text used by the King James translators was this text, and if properly translated into any language is the accurate word of God in that language.

So, you would probably view me as extreme, and I am OK with that.

 

[beameup]

King James only folks perhaps have a higher view of scripture than most others (general statement). We believe the KJB is the only accurate word of God in English. I do believe the CT is a corrupt text.

KJB only folks like me believe this by faith, I cannot prove my position scientifically. I simply believe that God is perfect and desires we know him, so he has preserved a perfect text. I believe the TR text used by the King James translators was this text, and if properly translated into any language is the accurate word of God in that language.

I don't have a problem with the fact that the King James is the best English Translation. It is the most literal word-for-word, and I think that is fantastic.
It uses the least number of words in the translation and includes "added" words in brackets, I think that is fantastic as well.
I like the fact that they used the Textus Receptus as well.

But, I use Strong's NUMBERING system (not the definitions), which are hot-linked to the text, to track the original language.
Like I said, I find it very useful to have some difficulty trying to fully understand the point that the Holy Spirit is trying to make.
So the "King''s English" actually works in my favor as I tend to dig a bit deeper into the text to get the deeper meaning.
I don't like the idea of reading someone elses paraphrase or "modern" translation... I can do that myself.

 

[Winman]

The issue is source text. The TR has nearly 3000 more words in the original Greek than the CT. Either the TR added to God's word, or the CT diminished God's word, take your pick, but they are not the same.

KJB folks believe there are many verses where God has promised to preserve his word. And God in several places warns not to add or diminish his word, so someone is in error, either the TR or CT. I believe the KJB based on the TR is the preserved and accurate scriptures. Can I prove it? No, but I believe God's promises.

Isn't it amazing that the KJB only folks have FAITH? I mean, they have full trust and confidence in it. But it is very unusual, almost unheard of for a supporter of the MVs to declare ANY version perfect. They do not have much faith in any version and openly say all versions are imperfect.

Why? Faith comes by hearing the word of God (Rom 10:17).

Think about that awhile. Why does the KJB inspire such faith while the MVs do not?

 

[beameup]

The issue is source text. The TR has nearly 3000 more words in the original Greek than the CT.

Maybe because the TR included the Apocrypha
which was translated into English in the KJV 1611?

So again, why are these people so defensive and get so angry?
I suspect that the KJV is not quite the "perfectly preserved Word of God"
as they claim and that they have a hard time defending that claim.
I know for a fact that the translators didn't get everything PERFECT
in their translation, but they did do an admirable job of it.
Certainly, it is much much better than the Greek O.T. that
the early church used (precursor to the later corrupted Septuigint).

 

[Rippon]

Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

2011 NIV : "I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your unfailing love and your faithfulness, for you have so exalted your solemn decree that it surpasses your fame."

King James only folks perhaps have a higher view of scripture than most others (general statement).

That statement is complete rubbish.

We believe the KJB is the only accurate word of God in English.

Despite its multitude of mistakes? No version is perfect. "The only accurate word of God in English --nonsense.

He has preserved a perfect text. I believe the TR text used by the King James translators was this text,

You are living in a dream world.

and if properly translated into any language is the accurate word of God in that language.

So folks in other lands who do not use a translation based on the TR will be spiritually disadvantaged? More poppycock.

So, you would probably view me as extreme, and I am OK with that.

You are extreme --in your theological views and this stuff. I hope you will grow out of it as other former KJVO posters here have.

 

[matt wade]

beameup, based on the post of Rippon, I believe you can see who is the angry one around here and who isn't.

 

[beameup]

beameup, based on the post of Rippon, I believe you can see who is the angry one around here and who isn't.

All I can say is that the King James "works for me". :wavey:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

The Gospel can be spread "from faith to faith" as I'm sure it was in the Dark Ages, but it is nice to have a reliable English translation during these "dark days".

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Maybe because the TR included the Apocrypha
which was translated into English in the KJV 1611?

The 'TR' is a Greek New Testament - the Apocrypha was part of the Old Testament.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I see folks bad-mouth KJB only here constantly, doesn't make me angry.

When you see any version 'bad-mouthed' please use the 'report post' button. That is not tolerated here.