2 Peter 21

Here's the "they" -- "9 The Lord knoweth how ... to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities."

"Unjust" = "unsaved." In this case, it appears they are false teachers having some authority and knowledge of the truth in the church or in the synagogue. This parallels Mt 23.

skypair

 

Sky is right about the they being unbelievers, in this case false teachers. Their judgment will be worse because they had been given more light, in that they knew the true Gospel but turned from it. It would be easier for them in the judgment to not have known than to know and have turned away.

 

Not plumb sure, but I didn't think 2 Peter had 21 chapters!

Ed

 

:laugh:

I think he means 2 Peter 2:21

 

Oh! Musta' been a :type: !

Ed

 

Who let the cops out?

 

This verse sounds like these folks were saved at one point:

1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

And again here:

20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

I dunno, sure sounds like those guys were saved...

Les

 

I would be really interested in knowing exactly what sins causes a person to be saved then not, and as a followup, what that person could do to regain salvation.

It seems that Hebrews 6:4-6 says that if it were possible to lose salvation, then it would be impossible to regain it.

 

Perhaps it is not only THAT you believe, it is also WHAT you believe?

 

Maybe this is it, denying Jesus?

1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

 

Maybe another dumb question on my part, but why would someone who would "secretly introduce destructive heresies, and deny the sovereign Lord" be saved in the first place?

 

Oh, so you mean they were never saved to begin with?

:laugh: :laugh: :wavey:

 

I have no clue as to why they would do something like that. But, Peter seems to be very clear on the idea that they were saved:

the sovereign Lord who bought them

and:

by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

Sure sounds like saved to me.

Les

 

That is exactly right. I will admit though, I do not know enough about the Hebrew and Greek to comment on the phrase "that the Lord bought", however, in the light of other Scripture, it does not mean they lost their salvation.

 

If I would a theologian like some men of old that God raised up, I would just comment. But alas, I am not. lol John Gill brings out quite a bit on this verse:

 

Having denied the Lord who bought them probably means "the Lord that paid their debt off (sin debt). If you believe that Christ died for the sins of the whole world, this makes sense.

Christ died for the sins of the whole world, but the whole world won't accept Him as Savior.

 

Hmmmm, well maybe, but there's no doubt that this is referring to Jesus:

by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

 

Les, what is the verse that says "knowing our Lord and Savior"?