20 QUESTIONS FOR THOSE WHO OBJECT TO MILLENNIAL EXCLUSION

20 QUESTIONS FOR THOSE WHBJECT TO MILLENNIAL EXCLUSION



1. In 1 Corinthians 9:27 Paul labors to keep from being a "castaway." In Luke 9, Jesus addresses His disciples (including Peter, vv.20, 23), and John and James (v.27-28), and He also warns them about the possibility of being "cast away" (v.25). Why don't you use Luke 9:25 to understand what Paul means in 1 Corinthians 9:27?



2. Did the warning in Luke 9:25 still apply to Peter, James and John when Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 9:27?



3. If it did not, at what point did the warning that Jesus gave to Peter, James and John in Luke 9:25 cease to apply to them?



4. Why do you think some versions destroy the link between Luke 9:25 and 1 Corinthians 9:27 (by erasing the words castaway, cast away)?



5. In Mark 9:38, John is speaking. When the Lord answers him, who does the "thy" (second person singular) refer to in Mark 9:43?



6. Does the phrase "ye belong to Christ" in Mark 9:41 mean that John was eternally saved?



7. In verse 50, who is Jesus addressing?



8. When are unbelievers bodily resurrected for judgment?



9. Do unbelievers, according to a KJV, go to Hell after their bodily resurrection, or do they go to the Lake of Fire? (see Revelation 20:14-15)



10. Who is Jesus warning about going to "Hell" in BODY, an unbeliever or a believer (Mark 9:47)?





11. According to Jesus, to escape Hell is to enter the Kingdom of God in body (Mark 9:47). When does this Kingdom begin (see Luke 21:31)?



12. When is the Last Day, mentioned by Jesus in reference to unbelievers in John 12:48?



13. When did Jesus promise to raise up everyone who BELIEVES upon Him in John 6:40?



14. Can you believe the Gospel, yet refuse to confess Jesus, and be a faithful believer? (see John 12:42, Matthew 10:30-32, 2 Timothy 2:12)



15. Does Jesus have something more for believers who confess Him, live for Him, and suffer for Him? What is it?



16. What is the "better resurrection" that many were tortured in order to receive in Hebrews 11:35?



17. What is the "resurrection" that Paul suffered for, and for which he allowed himself to be made conformable to Christ's death in order to attain in Philippians 3:10-11?



18. Is the Last Day the same as the Seventh Day in Hebrews 4:4-11?



19. Since Jesus warned His disciples about the danger of going to "Hell" in soul and BODY (see Matthew 10:28), and since unbelievers only go to "Hell" in their SOUL before their resurrection, and since all unbelievers come out of "Hell" to stand at the Great White Throne, and are then cast into the Lake of Fire, was Jesus warning believers or unbelievers about going to "Hell" in their BODIES? Do modern Christians need to fear this warning?



20. A believer can be made sick or killed by God in this life, and still possess everlasting life (John 3:16, 1 Corinthians 11:30). Where is the Bible verse that teaches that temporary chastisement in the age of the Millennial Kingdom would neutralize the promise of everlasting life, even though temporary chastisement in this life does not?

 

Said by Ed. Who, though continuously regarding me as an enemy on this subject, edges ever closer to my position. A year ago Ed had never heard of the doctrine. Now he embraces at least some of the basic tenents of it. Praise God! Preach it Bro Ed! As I have said many times, there are many advocates of responsibility/eternal security of the believer who don't agree with me about Hell/outer darkness. Hey, I can be taught. Start off by explaining Mark 9.

I'll post my (to this point unanswered) question again. What "reward" will a believer recieve at the JSOC (according to 2Cor 5:10) for the "bad" works done in the body?

Ed, can you prove that he only misses out on some of the goodies? What about Mark 9? Also when do unbelievers go to Hell bodily? I realize they go there when they die but not in a body that could be destroyed (ala Matt 10:28). I don't see any way possible that Matt 10:28 could ever apply to anyone but a believer. They are the only ones who have a body after death but prior to the destruction of Hell in the Lake of fire in rev 20.

Lacy

 

Dear rlvaughn,

I sincerely apologize for taking this long to answer your question.

Millenial Exclusion is the doctrine (taught historically by Govett, G H lang, G H Pember, S S Craig, Watchman Nee, etc., and more recently by Zane Hodges, Charles Stanley, JD Faust, Earl Radmacher, etc. ) which says that the warning verses, which are generally used to teach that a Christian can lose his salvation, in fact teach that a Christian can miss the 1000 year Kingdom of Christ.

We believe in absolute 100% eternal security of the believer, yet we believe that there are real (and serious) negative (temporary) rewards that can be earned by a slothful, disobedient Christian walk, including banishment from the Millennial Kingdom.

These rewards (chastisements) are meted out both in this life and possibly at the Judgnment Seat Of Christ.

Here are a couple of links to short books on the subject.

http://www.inthebeginning.org/schoettle/booksonline/panton/judgmentseat.htm

http://www.inthebeginning.org/kingdom/roadhouse/believers.pdf

Please feel free to ask me questions. I am sorry for my tardy response.

Lacy

 

Said by Ed. Who, though continuously regarding me as an enemy on this subject, edges ever closer to my position. A year ago Ed had never heard of the doctrine. Now he embraces at least some of the basic tenents of it. Praise God! Preach it Bro Ed! As I have said many times, there are many advocates of responsibility/eternal security of the believer who don't agree with me about Hell/outer darkness. Hey, I can be taught. Start off by explaining Mark 9.

I'll post my (to this point unanswered) question again. What "reward" will a believer recieve at the JSOC (according to 2Cor 5:10) for the "bad" works done in the body?

Ed, can you prove that he only misses out on some of the goodies? What about Mark 9? Also when do unbelievers go to Hell bodily? I realize they go there when they die but not in a body that could be destroyed (ala Matt 10:28). I don't see any way possible that Matt 10:28 could ever apply to anyone but a believer. They are the only ones who have a body after death but prior to the destruction of Hell in the Lake of fire in rev 20.

Lacy </font>[/QUOTE]Where'd you dissappear to . . .man?

Lacy

 

Read the original 20 questions in the initial post. esp #s 5,6,7,10, & 11.

That's funny because earlier you said:

* Why are they not rewarded if all their "bad works" are forgiven. How could a forgiven sin cause them to lose out on some goodies?

* Can/does God chasten us for sins already forgiven?

* Why have this:

in your bible at all if it is meaningless and has no real and viable application?

Your friend and brother, Lacy

 

LadyEagle,
I absolutely believe in 100% eternal security. However I believe that God chastens in this life for disobedience. That has nothing to do with salvation. So what I proposed to myself is this: What if temporary Chastening is not just possible in this life but also in the next at the JSOC? The more I studied, the more I found it to be so.

In the Corinthian church, God made some eternally Secure, Once-saved-always-saved, believers sick and he even killed some because they didn't keep a proper attitude concerning the Lord's Table. Were their sins forgiven in an absolute sense? Of course, but in a famial practical sense, they were disobedient and carnal and subject to (very severe) fatherly discipline.

Now when you get over to 1 Cor 6:8-10, Gal 5: 19-21, and Eph 5:3-7, we have very clear warnings to eternally Secure, Once-saved-always-saved, believers that if they do certain things they will not inherit the Kingdom. Look up the verses. It's as plain as day.

Are they still saved? Absolutely! The Chastening at the JSOC in no way compromises the doctrine of eternal secutity.

lacy