490 YEARS DONE!!!!!

Yes but "maybe" you have been misinformed! You think that just because all Bible prophecies -- in fact ALL timelines - are contiguous (or else there is no way to use them as a measure or a predictive line) that this must also apply to Daniel 9's 490 year prophecy - the 70 week (490 days - which are 490 years) timeline of Daniel that starts out with the 70 year timeline of Jeremiah.

You appear to think that timelines (like any measuring rod) must be contiguous (like all timelines in scripture) and that if they are broken to pieces with undefined lengths inserted - they no longer serve as a usuable timeline.

Why are you thinking that?

Why not break the rules just once for this one timeline in Daniel 9? It opens a lot of "other possible story options" if you do that and some of them are quite entertaining.

In Christ,

Bob

 

In Daniel 9 it says that Christ causes Sacrifices and offerings to cease. In Heb 10 we find the same thing regarding Christ's "once for all time" sacrifice.

Daniel 9 says He makes a firm covenant - and we see this fulfilled in Matt at the last supper.

For each of the major pointers in Daniel 9 - you see them fulfilled in the NT.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Tammy, my lady, got a question.

9:24
Seventy sevens (490 years) are decreed for your people (Jews) and your holy city (Jerusalem):

to finish transgression

to put an end to sin

to atone for wickedness

to bring in everlasting righteousness.

to seal up prophecy and

to anoint the most holy.

All the above have to be fulfilled within the 490 years. If 490 years have been completed then all the above have been accomplished. When were these specifics accomplished?

 

An excellent reply prophecynut.
Jesus says quite plainly: "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be." (Mt. 24:21)
Does this fit any event in the past?

Paul writes: "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits in the temple of God, showing himelf that he is God." (2Thes. 2:3-4)
Again, does this fit anywhere in the past? If so, what temple? and who was it?

As for trying to fit this person with anyone in the past, there is a big problem with that, as we continue to read in 2Thes. 2: "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming." (2Thes 2:8)
Has the Lord Jesus returned at anytime to do that to anyone?

Read Revelation 13. For brevity let me summarize:
Has anyone displayed great signs and wonders, even making fire come down from heaven?
Has there ever been an "image of the beast" that could speak?
Has there ever been a time when no one could buy or sell without some sort of "mark"?

One must always look at all scriptures that applies to a subject.

 

Tam sweetie, I think your halo has a kink in it.

 

Several huge problems.

1. In Dan, it does not say that Christ causes the sacrifices to cease. It says "he" who in the context is the prince who is to come ... The antichrist.

2. The covenant made is not the covenant of the last supper. IT is a covenant of peace made by the prince who is to come with the Jews.

3. He makes the covenant for one week (seven years). Christ's covenant is a permanent one.

4. The covenant made in Dan 9 is broken half way through. Christ's covenant is never broken.

5. The 490 years did not end after Jesus death. Dan 9 says that Messiach was cut off (died) after the 69th week, 483 years.

Someone, it appears, did not read Dan 9 very closely. Dan 9 has not yet been completely fulfilled. As with so many of these kinds of questions, reading the text without any presuppositions answers most of them.

 

Daniel 9:24 speaks of ‘bringing in everlasting righteousness’ and ‘the anointing the most High.’

Jesus lived on earth, died and ascended into Heaven. From then until now I believe it is a quantum leap to say that our world is enjoying ‘everlasting righteousness.’ And unless I missed a huge piece of Christ’s experiences while on earth as recorded in the Bible, I never recall a group of disciples or apostles anointing Him as King over the earth in a spiritual sense or in the sense of a monarch who would govern the entire earth. The relative few who are saved hardly makes our Lord King in these moments of time. [Matt. 7:14]

Right after the Second Coming of Christ He will be Ruler over His theocracy for 1,000 years and He will be seated as resident and resplendent Monarch over the entire earth. [Zechariah chapter 14]
‘ . . . over all the earth.’ [vs.9] people from around the world will come to Jerusalem to see and hear Jesus our Messiah and coming King. [vs. 16]

Saul was anointed as noted in I Samuel 15:1 and King David the second king of Israel, but not our Lord.

This being said, the prophet Daniel has to be speaking of the future even to our time. It takes time to study future Biblical events.

I had been like the young beagle seeing the rabbit and chasing it with my eyes until the rabbit disappeared. While understanding little about prophecy I was like the inexperienced beagle who loses the scent of the trail and kept getting off track. After years of study I know how His history will unfold.

If, prophecynut will indulge me, he is like the experienced beagle who does not chase the rabbit too fast so the rabbit feels intimidated and dives into the first rabbit hole. The beagle remains at a distance and returns the rabbit to the hunter.

prophecynut, this is a compliment as to what you have declared to this point in time.

Watch carefully his insights.

 

Dear Gracious Ray

I appreciate your compliments and return recognition of your keen perceptions and discernment of the Word. I've been studying prophecy since 1985 when I read The Late Great Planet Earth and watched a Christian program about Armageddon. Since then I've follow a independent path of understanding, sniffing out every trail for clues of truth in the prophetic Word. The knowledge I have has been built on the foundation of great Biblical scholars before me. The accuracy of this knowledge can only be attributed to the Holy Spirit and God's sovereign choice in revealing his grace before that day comes upon us.

You've placed yourself in a position of acceptance and further enlightenment of those things which have yet to be revealed. I'll will be sending you important OT Scriptures for your review that apply to this present generation. I will first give you the opportunity on your own to correctly interpret them and then assist you if need be.

Glory, Honor and Praise to the one "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

 

Actually - prophecynut is being fairly consistent with his previous posts.

 

True.

No, it is in the future,and it is not mentioned in the 490 year prophecy.
</font>[/QUOTE]True again. But why not add it in "anyway"??

Tammy said -
Again, does this fit anywhere in the past? If so, what temple? and who was it?
</font>[/QUOTE]You shouldn't get sidetracked so easily.

The point remains - nothing in 2Thess 2 mentions the 70 week 490 year timeline.

Nope you're right, hasn't happened yet. That is referring to the "rapture". It is not part of the 490 years. It will happen sometime in the future.
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So far - Tammy wins.

In Christ,

Bob

 

True. But Christ IS everlasting righteousness. He is after all "Jesus Christ the Righteous".

In Romans 9 we find that he DID go and annoint the most Holy in heaven upon His return.

In Daniel 9 the Messiah is said to put a stop to sacrifice and sin offering.

In Heb 10 Paul says that the Messiah put a stop to sacrifice and offerings.

It is all there.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Context Bob, Context!

Dn. 9:24 - "Seventy sevens are decreed for your people ( Jews ) and your holy city ( Jerusalem )....to bring in everlasting righteousness"

 

The 490 years will not be fulfilled until the Millennium.

Here's a few scriptures:

To finish transgression, to end sin and atone for wickedness for his people and Jerusalem.

Eze. 36:24-25,33 - For I will take you out of the nations; Iwill gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 33. This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On the day I cleanse you from all your sins, I will resettle your towns, and the ruins will be rebuilt.

Eze. 37:22-23 - I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God.

Romans 11:26-27 - And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: The deliverer will come from Zion: he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.


To bring in ever lasting righteousness:

Isa. 45:25 - But in the LORD all the descendants of Israel will be found righteous and will exult.

Isa. 60:21 - Then will all your people be righteous and they will possess the land forever.

Jer. 23:5-6 - The days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.


To anoint the Most Holy:

Eze. 41:4 - And he measured the length of the inner sanctuary, it was twenty cubits, and its width was twenty cubits across the end of the outer sanctuary. He said to, "This is the Most Holy Place.

Eze. 45:3 - In the sacred district, measure off a section 25,000 cubits long and 10,000 cubits wide. In it will be the sanctuary, the Most Holy Place.


To seal up prophecy:

The end of prophecy will be completed when all the things in the seven seal scroll are fulfilled (Rev. 5:1-5).