A Historic Premillennial Timeline

Hi guys,

I just recently finished an article presenting what I believe to be the timeline for the end times from a Historic Premillennial perspective.

I know most of my Dispy buddies will get a chuckle out of it, but I hope some of you will actually take a second look at the scriptures again.

Here is an excerpt:

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The full article can be found at http://www.ifbreformation.org/Prophecy_Historic_timeline.html

I look forward to your comments.

IFBReformer

 

Daniel,

Sure I can explain this - this a famous strawman used by Dispensationalists for years.

I did not say(nor do I see the scriptures saying) Christ executes judgment(meaning destruction) on all unbelievers. Certainly much of the earths population will be destroyed during the 3 1/2 years of tribulation preceding
the battle of Armaggedon.

And certainly most of those who come at the battle of Armageddon will be wiped out. Yet we know there will still be survivors as it says in
Zechariah:

Zechariah 14:16-17(NIV)
"16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain."

So these survivors are the ones who procreate and these are the ones who make up the nations that Satan will deceive after he is loosed from the pit after the millennial reign of Christ.

I hope that helps you.

Larry

 

Dr Bob,

The blessed hope I look for is one that I believe is the most accurate as well as the most glorious - yours is one that seperates the people of God into different groups and pulls some people out in the ninth inning just before the game is over and God shows his power on earth through the Tribulation and then his final victory with Christ and the Armies of Heaven.

Here is a better picture based on God's Word:

Daniel 11:32 & 45(NIV)
"With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him...45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.
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Daniel 12:1-3
"1 At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book-will be delivered."

2 Thessalonians 1:6-7(NIV)
"6God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.

Matthew 24:15 & 21 & 29-31
"15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand... 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again...29"Immediately after the distress of those days " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' 30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

What a glorious day that will be when the Anti-Christ thinks he has one and our Lord is revealed from heaven coming on the clouds, with blazing fire with his powerful angels to destroy the Anti-Christ.

We will see him, oh what splendor and glory that will be while we are standing here and we see our bodies instantly transformed into perfect, imortal and sinless bodies and with these new bodies we fly to meet our Lord and the Armies of heaven in the air, we watch as the Lord and his armies vangish the Anti-Christ and his Armies and the final destruction of the Anti-Christ as he is thrown into the Lake of Fire.

We celebrate the victory and union of the saints with their Savior as he begins his millnnial reign. Oh what a blessed hope we have!

I will leave you with this quote from Charles Spurgeon(who was a historic premillennialist as well):

""So shall it be when, at the last great day, we walk among men calmly and serenely. They will marvel at us; they will say to us, 'How is it you are so joyous? We are alarmed, our hearts are failing us for fear;' and we shall take up our wedding hymn, our marriage song, 'The Lord is come! The Lord is come! Hallelujah!' The burning earth shall be the torch to light the wedding procession; the quivering of the heavens shall be, as it were, but as the dancing of the feet of angels in those glorious festivities, and the booming and crashing of the elements shall, somehow, only help to swell the outburst of praise unto God the just and terrible, who is our exceeding joy."
Spurgeon, "The Joyful Anticipation of the Second Advent," 42:603.

IFBReformer

 

Daniel David,

Sure Daniel, this is the Sheep and Goats judgement also refered to as the Great White Throne judgement in Revelation 20.

Clearly occurs at the end of the millennial reign of Christ as seen in Revelation 20 before the eternal state is ushered in in Revelation 21.

IFBReformer

 

Daniel,

Lets take a look at this passage:

You see you are looking at what I would call a 'detail passage' and reinterpreting clear 'timeline passages' with it.

A 'detail passage' is one that gives us more detail on one prophectic event. Then there are 'timeline passages' that while they don't give as much detail on each of the individual events they do give us the timing and how the events fit into the big picture.

Matthew 25 and passages like it give us more detail as to the judgement, and in fact Matthew 25 is excellant passage demonstrating that the righteous and wicked will be judged at the same time as we clearly see from a 'timeline passage' like Revelation 20.

You are taking Revelation 20(which is by the way the last and clearest timeline regarding the millennium and the judgement) and you are reinterpreting it for this passage from Matthew 25.


You see Revelation 20 gives us a very clear timeline - the dead in Christ are raised at the end of the tribulation(which also marks the begining of the Millennial Reign of Christ) and it is clearly stated that this is the first resurrection. I know that Dispensationalists reject that clear statment and instead say it is the first "type of resurection" but thats not what my Bible reads.

Then once again in this clear rendering, it says the saints will reign with Christ for 1000 years. Funny you take the 1000 year part literally(as we do) but you reject that it is actually the first resurection as it clearly states.

It says He will rule with a rod of Iron, now why would he need to rule with a rod of Iron unless there are wicked in his Kingdom? If there are all saints there is no need.

What enemies does he need to put "under his feet" if everyone who enters the millennial kingdom is a saint?

"23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet."
1 Corinthians 15:23-25(NIV)

Then you have that pesky passage from Zechariah 14:

"16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The LORD will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles."
Zechariah 14:16-19(NIV)

I know Dispensationalists try and write off Zechariah 14 as talking about Saints who come out of the tribulation. Your problem is that if it were talking about saints(God's people) threats would not be issued against if they did not go up to worship the King. And the very language "survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem" indicates that these are wicked because it says of those who attacked Israel. If it had said "survivors from all the nations who did not participate in the attack on Jerusalem" you might have a case - but as it stands you don't.

I only see one resurection in the last and final timeline of Revelation 20? Do you see another? Oh you will say God just happen to leave it out -well I guess if you can live with that....

Talk to you later

IFBReformer