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Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by whetstone, Apr 20, 2005.

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  1. whetstone

    whetstone <img src =/11288.jpg>

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    I know I am on 'hiatus' but I thought I would offer this one word of suggestion to the BB admins (or Pastor Larry if this is your decision). Would it not be more uplifting to the cause of Christ to change the name of this forum from 'Calvinism/Arminianism Debate' to 'Discussions on Election' or something similar? At this present title, we are immediately pitted AGAINST each other rather than put into one big fishbowl where we can have honest and heartfelt discussion.

    I am not the ecumenical type that seeks 'unity at any cost' but I also know that there is already too much division in Christ's church. As far as I know- every person in this section accepts Christ as their personal savior. We SHOULD be unified if not in the finer points of theology, at least in attitude and purpose. Calvinists, Arminians, and those who call themselves neither- do you agree with my suggestion? Should we all refocus this forum and begin anew?
     
    #1 whetstone, Apr 20, 2005
  2. MargoWriter

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    Sounds good to me. That's why I used to avoid these threads like the plague ... the word 'debate' makes me cringe.

    This things can be talked about nicely. A new title won't solve the 'debate'... but it may help to generate better attitudes.

    I put myself in with the lot of us ... I'm not saying either side has had better attitudes. I know I've said some unkind things in here and regretted it.

    Megan
     
    #2 MargoWriter, Apr 20, 2005
  3. icthus

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    No. The Bible says, "Iron sharpens iron". I think that it is great to be able to debate our beliefs here, which should be done in the right spirit. It is very easy to be drawn into the heat of the battle, and form time to time we have to pull back and have a break. No problem with that. This debate has been going on for centuries now, and will do so till the Lord Jesus returns. We do need to make sure that what we believe is Biblical, and one way to learn, is to post our views here, and let others, either agree, or tear it up.
     
    #3 icthus, Apr 20, 2005
  4. whetstone

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    Usually the only thing torn up here is people.
     
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  5. Rich_UK

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    I agree. The name *Calvinism/armianism debate* screams of *combat*...I'm yet to see a friendly debate on this topic on the BB... (myself guilty at times btw)
     
    #5 Rich_UK, Apr 20, 2005
  6. Wes Outwest

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    Don't change it! A rose by any other name is still a rose!
     
    #6 Wes Outwest, Apr 20, 2005
  7. LaymansTermsPlease

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    I've wondered before why we don't simply call it "Soteriology", so it isn't 100% calv vs arm, but rather includes all facets of discussion relating to salvation.

    Seems like we'd have sections like Soteriology, Ecclesiology, Eschatology, etc
     
    #7 LaymansTermsPlease, Apr 20, 2005
  8. natters

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    Why is whetstone asking the moderators to choose to change it, when he knows perfectly well that they can only change it if God predestined them to? ;)
     
    #8 natters, Apr 20, 2005
  9. dianetavegia

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    Natters, I can change it. I can change it back. I can change it. I can change it back. I can change it......... [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
    #9 dianetavegia, Apr 20, 2005
  10. Bob Krajcik

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    Psalms 5:11 (KJV) But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.
     
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  11. whetstone

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    Biblical reasons why this forum should be geared less toward 'debate' and more toward 'brotherly discussion:'

    #1- Christians are offending each other very often.

    Pro 18:19 A brother offended [is harder to be won] than a strong city: and [their] contentions [are] like the bars of a castle.

    1Cr 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

    #2- Being 'filled' with debate is ungodly.

    Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    #3- Contention is a sign of pride and foolishness.

    Pro 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised [is] wisdom.

    Pro 18:6 A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes.

    Jam 4:1 From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members?

    Conclusion:

    Phl 2:3 [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
     
    #11 whetstone, Apr 20, 2005
  12. Wes Outwest

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    Whetstone, like any place where you attend church, you can simply leave if you don't like what you find here.

    I doubt seriously if anyone held a gun at your head and made you log into this BBS, and I'm pretty sure no one is holding a gun on you keeping you hear.

    Whether you stay or whether you leave, is entirely up to you. Of course that is the Arminian perspective. For the Calvinist perspective, Because God made come here, you'll just have to wait for God to cause you to leave.
     
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  13. whetstone

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    Baptist Board is not a church. It is a community. Imagine BB is like a church picnic. If you were the member of a church and there was an argument at one of the tables over Calvinism- would you seek to enter the fray (making things worse) or keep the peace? Be honest.
     
    #13 whetstone, Apr 20, 2005
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    Wouldn't I only do what God predestined me to do, and nothing else? Seriously. You are talking as though we have a real choice in the matter.
     
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  15. whetstone

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    Wouldn't I only do what God predestined me to do, and nothing else? Seriously. You are talking as though we have a real choice in the matter. </font>[/QUOTE]apparently you do not understand the Calvinist position. please consult reformed.org or monergism or ANY Calvinistic website to see that we are not fatalists and we don't deny free agency. you are creating a strawman to evade my words and scripture.
     
    #15 whetstone, Apr 21, 2005
  16. gb93433

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    In the gospels we read where Jesus debated.
     
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  17. whetstone

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    do we ever read him debating with the disciples?

    (and I don't mean Q and A either. I mean all out- point/counterpoint debate)
     
    #17 whetstone, Apr 21, 2005
  18. Wes Outwest

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    No, only with religious leaders, and other prominant persons.
     
    #18 Wes Outwest, Apr 21, 2005
  19. whetstone

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    correct. A house divided against itself cannot stand. our contentions should not be with each other but with those who we are commanded to reach.
     
    #19 whetstone, Apr 21, 2005
  20. 4His_glory

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    Whetstone has a point. I have not posted here much because of the meaness that is displayed. It does seem like the only thing torn up here is people.

    I say a name change would be good, but I doubt it would help the spirit that exists here very much.
     
    #20 4His_glory, Apr 21, 2005
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