A new 95 Theses

[ReformedBaptist]

Anyone know these folks? http://www.againstdispensationalism.com/95theses.shtml

The video they mention should be cool. The Doctrines of Grace one was awesome. Here is the upcoming documentary. http://www.lategreatplanetchurch.com/

 

[webdog]

Just the name of the site gives me no desire to even open it.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Just the name of the site gives me no desire to even open it.

Scarey isn't it. :laugh:

 

[ReformedBaptist]

23. Despite the dispensationalists’ conviction that their “plain interpretation” necessarily “gives to every word the same meaning it would have in normal usage” (Charles Ryrie) and is the only proper and defensible method for interpreting Scripture, by adopting this method they are denying the practice of Christ and the Apostles in the New Testament, as when the Lord points to John the Baptist as the fulfillment of the prophecy of Elijah’s return (Matt 10:13-14) and the Apostles apply the prophecy of the rebuilding of “the tabernacle of David” to the spiritual building of the Church (Acts 15:14-17), and many other such passages.

Amen. This is the same problem I have seen with the dispy scheme.

24. Despite the dispensationalists’ partial defense of their so-called literalism in pointing out that “the prevailing method of interpretation among the Jews at the time of Christ was certainly this same method” (J. D. Pentecost), they overlook the problem that this led those Jews to misunderstand Christ and to reject him as their Messiah because he did not come as the king which their method of interpretation predicted.

Holy bowl of bananas batman!

26. Despite the dispensationalists’ interpretive methodology arguing that we must interpret the Old Testament on its own merit without reference to the New Testament, so that we must “interpret ‘the New Testament in the light of the Old’” (Alan Johnson), the unified, organic nature of Scripture and its typological, unfolding character require that we consult the New Testament as the divinely-ordained interpreter of the Old Testament, noting that all the prophecies are “yea and amen in Christ” (2 Cor 1:20); that “the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy” (Rev 19:10); and, in fact, that many Old Testament passages were written “for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come” (1 Cor 10:11) and were a “mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past” (Col. 1:26; Rev 10:7).

wow. Do dispy's really believe the Old interprets the New rather than the New interpreting the Old?

33. Despite the dispensationalists’ desire to promote the historical-grammatical method of interpretation, their habit of calling it the “plain interpretation” (Charles Ryrie) leads the average reader not to look at ancient biblical texts in terms of their original setting, but in terms of their contemporary, Western setting and what they have been taught by others — since it is so “plain.”

ooooweee..ouch!

39. Despite the dispensationalists’ claim that the Abrahamic covenant involved an unconditional land promise, which serves as one of the bases for the future hope of a millennium, the Bible teaches that Abraham “was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God” (Heb 11:10), and that the city, the “new Jerusalem,” will “descend from God, out of Heaven” (Rev. 21:2).

Hoorah! Peach it now..

more later..

 

[EdSutton]

I did look at this link, unlike webdog, and have one comment. On another thread, a poster mentioned someone having an ax to grind.

It would appear I saw a full "mill-run" of tools from the foundry, waiting to be edged.

[Edited to add] But I do admit it was a bit comforting to see that Thesis #7 at the site considers "dispensationalists' general orthodoxy" at least minimally acceptable.

Ol' Mart couldda' picked up a pointer or two for his 95, had he first seen this one!

Ed

 

[ReformedBaptist]

I did look at this link, unlike webdog, and have one comment. On another thread, a poster mentioned someone having an ax to grind.

It would appear I saw a full "mill-run" of tools from the foundry, waiting to be edged.

Ed

huh? Looks like the folks on the website are going to try to hew down dispensational theology if that's what you mean..

 

[EdSutton]

huh? Looks like the folks on the website are going to try to hew down dispensational theology if that's what you mean..

Naw!! Surely you jest!

Ed

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Naw!! Surely you jest!

Ed

I am pretty certain, but methinks they intend to slay it...:laugh:

 

[Marcia]

Just the name of the site gives me no desire to even open it.

I'm with you on that. I can't figure out why dispensationalism makes some people so red in the face and worked up. If one disagrees, fine, but please be reasonable about it!

After all, we are commanded over and over to love our brothers and sisters in Christ! This is a reminder I need all the time, sometimes -- get ready for a shock! -- even on the BB! :laugh:

Do dispy's really believe the Old interprets the New rather than the New interpreting the Old?

No!!!

 

[JDale]

Lemme see... I have been a member of the BaptistBoard for some years now. Until recently, it has been a good forum for vigorous debate of various issues -- theological, cultural, etc.

FTR, I am a Baptist. I am also a Reformation Arminian, a Dispensationalist, and though I would hardly consider myself in the John MacArthur camp, many would accuse me of being an advocate of Lordship Salvation. I've found, however, that regardless of what I am, more and more here it only matters what I am ACCUSED of being.

A case in point was the last thread I started, in which I simply asked if there were any others here anymore other than Lordship Salvation haters and Calvinist "shills." Though a few "answered the altar call," most attacked me, my wording of the thread title, and my motives -- including one of the administrator/moderators who prematurely locked my thread, and whose charge against my motives was unwarranted and unChristian.

And now, a thread posts a site supposedly about a "new 95 Theses" that is really just a front for attacking Dispensationalism. Incredible.

I thought this forum was for honest debate -- rather than disingenuous attacks. I see, however, that it has largely degenerated into a firing range for those who wish to take potshots, rather than enjoy a serious Biblical debate on the issues. This is quite sad to me -- apparently the Administrators should admit their bias, as this board no longer serves the WHOLE of the Baptist community online.

JDale

 

[ReformedBaptist]

JDale,

Everyone has bias. I agree, the website is confrontational. But it is far from pot shots. It appears very well thought out. I can understand it being uncomfortable for those who hold to dispensationalism. But at least you can grant that these men finding dispensationalism to be in error are confronting what they believe is false teaching.

You ought to check out how confrontation these guys are being with Islam http://christianskepticism.blogspot.com/ whoah!

 

[ReformedBaptist]

I'm with you on that. I can't figure out why dispensationalism makes some people so red in the face and worked up. If one disagrees, fine, but please be reasonable about it!

After all, we are commanded over and over to love our brothers and sisters in Christ! This is a reminder I need all the time, sometimes -- get ready for a shock! -- even on the BB! :laugh:



No!!!

I wonder who that Alan Johnson guy is then...