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A Perfect Righteousness

KenH

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Yes....here is another solid quote of truth from scripture. Some do not like it.

Praise be to God that all of His elect, at some point during their earthly sojourn, will be brought by the Holy Spirit, under the preaching of the gospel of the finished work of Christ Jesus, to like, yea, to love the truth taught in the Holy Scriptures.
 

Zaatar71

Active Member
More shooting the messenger, but not a verse of support.
God desires all people to be saved, 1 Timothy 2:4. To provide the means of reconciliation for all people, Christ died as a ransom for all. 1 Timothy 2:6. He purchased or bought those to be saved and those never to be saved. 2 Peter 2:1.
I can agree that He bought the rights to all men, but His death was strictly a Covenant death, fixed and certain. In other words He saves all He intended to save, there is no doubt, speculation or guess work. The Lord knows those who are His;
 

Van

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"who privily shall bring in damnable heresies: errors in the fundamental doctrines of the Gospel; such as relate to a trinity of persons in the Godhead; and to the person of Christ, to his proper deity, distinct personality, eternal sonship, and real humanity; and to his office as Mediator, rejecting him as the true Messiah, and as the only Saviour of sinners; denying his sacrifice and satisfaction, and the imputation of his righteousness; and to the Holy Spirit, his deity, personality, and divine influences and operations: these are "damnable", or "destructive", or "heresies of destruction"; which lead to eternal destruction both those that introduce and propagate them, and those that embrace and profess them; for they remove, or attempt to remove, the foundation of eternal life and happiness: the manner in which these are usually introduced is "privily"; at unawares, secretly, under a disguise, and gradually, by little and little, and not at once, and openly; and which is the constant character and practice of such men, who lie in wait to deceive, creep into churches...unawares, and into houses privately; and insinuate their principles under specious pretences and appearances of truth, using the hidden things of dishonesty, walking in craftiness, handling the word of God deceitfully, and colouring things with false glosses and feigned words: and even denying the Lord that bought them; not the Lord Jesus Christ, but God the Father; for the word κυριος is not here used, which always is where Christ is spoken of as the Lord, but δεσποτης; and which is expressive of the power which masters have over their servants, and which God has over all mankind; and wherever this word is elsewhere used, it is spoken of God the Father, whenever applied to a divine person, as in Luke 2:29 and especially this appears to be the sense, from the parallel text in Jude 1:4 where the Lord God denied by those men is manifestly distinguished from our Lord Jesus Christ, and by whom these persons are said to be bought: the meaning is not that they were redeemed by the blood of Christ, for Christ is not intended; and besides, whenever redemption by Christ is spoken of, the price is usually mentioned, or some circumstance or another which fully determines the sense; see Acts 20:28 whereas here is not the least hint of anything of this kind: add to this, that such who are redeemed by Christ are the elect of God only, the people of Christ, his sheep and friends, and church, and who are never left to deny him so as to perish eternally; for could such be lost, or deceive, or be deceived finally and totally by damnable heresies, and bring on themselves swift destruction, Christ's purchase would be in vain, and the ransom price be paid for nought; but the word "bought" regards temporal mercies and deliverance, which these men enjoyed, and is used as an aggravation of their sin in denying the Lord; both by words, delivering out such tenets as are derogatory to the glory of the divine perfections, and which deny one or other of them, and of his purposes, providence, promises, and truths; and by works, turning the doctrine of the grace of God into lasciviousness, being disobedient and reprobate to every good work; that they should act this part against the Lord who had made them, and upheld them in their beings and took care of them in his providence, and had followed them with goodness and mercy all the days of their lives."

- excerpt from John Gill's Bible commentary on 2 Peter 2:1
1) Abraham's bosom exists
2) Christ died as a ransom for all 1 Timothy 2:6
3) All people were thus purchased, those to be saved and those never to be saved. 2 Peter 2:1
4) Christ became the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity. 1 John 2:2
5) Only those individuals whose faith God credits as righteousness are transferred into Christ and made perfect by the washing of regeneration Hebrews 10:4
6) Our regeneration resulted in being made alive together with Christ. Ephesians 2:5
7) Everyone given (transferred into) Christ will not be cast out.
 

Van

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I can agree that He bought the rights to all men, but His death was strictly a Covenant death, fixed and certain. In other words He saves all He intended to save, there is no doubt, speculation or guess work. The Lord knows those who are His;
Yes, the Lord knows who are His, as they have been transferred into Him.

Yes, the Lord saves all He intends to save, those given to Him by the Father.

Yes, the Lord will not cast out any of His sheep, no doubt about it.
 

Zaatar71

Active Member
Yes, the Lord knows who are His, as they have been transferred into Him.
They were given to Him before the world was.

Yes, the Lord saves all He intends to save, those given to Him by the Father.

Yes, the Lord will not cast out any of His sheep, no doubt about it.

1]They were given to Him before the world was.

2]Glad we agree here...He saves all He intends to, those given to Him by the Father.

3] We agree here also. Not one sheep will be cast out.
 

Van

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1]They were given to Him before the world was.

2]Glad we agree here...He saves all He intends to, those given to Him by the Father.

3] We agree here also. Not one sheep will be cast out.
Not what John 6:37 says. as those given "come to Me" thus they exist, which makes your claim false.
 

Zaatar71

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Not what John 6:37 says. as those given "come to Me" thus they exist, which makes your claim false.
Why do you never stay consistent? They were given before time...They are called he elect in scripture.
look here: Heb.2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

They were given to Him before He was Incarnate. How can you fail to see this??? Are you a new Christian? Have you not received instruction? Many here can help you, if you want help.
 

Van

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Why do you never stay consistent? They were given before time...They are called he elect in scripture.
look here: Heb.2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

They were given to Him before He was Incarnate. How can you fail to see this??? Are you a new Christian? Have you not received instruction? Many here can help you, if you want help.
The claim I am not consistent is false.

No one was given to Him before He died on the Cross, and then only after God subsequently gave them as existing entities (human spirits created since Genesis 1.

In the Hebrews passage you cited, clearly those given are existent human spirits, embodied in flesh and blood. Were these human spirits sanctified in the past, or are they being sanctified (given to Christ) in the present?

The evidence is right there, so I expect you to see it.
 
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