Featured A.W. Pink - The Doctrine of Election

Mark, I thought you werent a big fan of doctrines?

 

As long as they are from the Bible!

 

Are you implying something by your statement Yeshua?

 

no, just saying that he would accept doctrines as long as they are biblical, and the Doctrine of election is definitly that!

 

Do you recall the conversation in CC? I was falsely accused of putting doctrine before Scripture & my argument was as you've indicated....that the Doctrines of Election & Grace are found in Scripture.

 

many feel that Election IS the central premise of the scriptures, as ALL Giods activities tie into that doctrine!

 

And others do not see any connection (or do not understand) the Doctrines of Grace in scripture.

 

Just read JI Packer's article on the matter.

 

The link took me to a 199 page write-up. So I opened the introduction and read until I was aghast at the shoddy argumentation.

First reference to scripture was Acts 15:18, which reads, "Says the Lord which makes these things known from of old." So in context, what is being said is God through His scripture had made known that the Messiah would come, and both Jews and Gentiles would seek God. However what is read into the text is God has predestined everything. LOL

Next Pink makes the point that we should buy or acquire truth and not sell or relinquish it. Hence a platitude everyone would agree with.

Then Pink indicates he quotes 2 Thessalonians 2:13, yet he cuts off the last part of the verse which contradicts his claim. Pink leaves off the part about being chosen through the sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth, because that does not fit with his "mistaken" doctrine. He then bridges the election from the beginning to Ephesians 1:3-4, and indicates the same election is in view, even though this one occurred before the foundation of the world. Shoddy argumentation.

So by the numbers, Pink assumes people reject his view of the doctrine of election because they are prideful and are wanting to merit their own salvation. Next he conflates the corporate election before the foundation of the world with our individual election through faith in the truth. He also claims names are written in the Lamb's book of life "before" the foundation of the world, but the text reads "from" the foundation of the world.

In summary, just by reading the first few paragraphs of the introduction, we find that he has nothing to offer except shoddy argumentation.

 

Do you hold that God predetines towards the saints ALL things according to His plans and purposes in christ, as per Paul?

 

Or you can send Guy Frederick to do your speaking for you since he is your mouthpiece..... you forget, I reached out to you & you just were not available.

I invited you to have direct dialog, gave you my phone # but you cant do that either. Oh yes, I forgot.... you cant have confrontation.... well to bad, that's life. But of course cant deal through that either apparently. Do me a big favor & erase me totally from your Forum as I 1st asked you to do because I want no affiliations with you or that thing.

 

:applause::applause::applause::applause:

 

No, Pink's argument is simply a logical fallacy, attacking those who hold a far more solid doctrine of election, as flawed rather than addressing their views.

It is not a matter of debate, Pink edited 2 Thess 2:13 to avoid addressing being chosen through faith in the truth. If he had actually presented what the verse said, it would have undercut his mistaken doctrine. Shoddy argumentation.

And then you, sir, say I have a problem rather than addressing the specific points I made. Shoddy argumentation.
Show me from scripture how you support your view. Pretty simple really. I showed that Pink's effort was without merit.

The election described in 2 Thessalonians 2:13 happened "from the beginning" or at a minimum after creation, and I believe from the beginning of the New Covenant. The Election described in Ephesians 1:3-4 happened before creation. Therefore, sound exegesis demonstrates they are two different elections, the first corporate, the second individual.

I also showed where Pink claimed names are written in the Lamb's book of life before the foundation of the world, when the verses read from the foundation of the world. Shoddy exegesis.

Rather than saying something is wrong with me, why not address these problems with Pink's presentation.

 

Yet another Calvinist assertion, devoid of any actual support in scripture.

Here is how Ephesians 1:5 actually reads. He predestined us [referring to those "in Christ] to adoption as sons [referring to our being resurrected in glorified bodies] through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will. I completely agree with this view. Are all these blessings bestowed on us before we are in Christ or do we get these blessings such as predestination to adoption after we are in the Beloved?