Absolute Christian Perfection

[EdSutton]

what time I am studying you give these a study yourself.

This one you all break big time.
15: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Let's see if I've got this right. It's different when you suggest we (whoever we happens to be at the time) 'break' "this one", but you manage to never break any of the real "biggies". Does that about get it?

Guess "Judge not lest you be judged" is a little one that don't really count, hunh? After all, it was only Jesus who said it.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Man, you better go back to the Methodist church in Mt. Nebo for further instruction.

:thumbsup: :applause: :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[grahame]

I am saying what the following scripture says.

1 Cor 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

I am saying this.

Romans 6:
10: For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11: Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13: Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14: For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17: But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18: Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Because you are dead to sin, does not mean you can sin, God forbid.

I am saying He not only paid for our sins, but is able through His Grace to keep us.

As the scriptures say, if you lend your members to sin, then you are the servant of sin and the devil.

Bob, I still don't know what you are saying. Could read my question again and tell me what you believe Christ accomplished by his death on the cross? Did he only died for our sins that we committed before we were converted? I'm trying to get a better idea of what you actually believe Christ accomplished for us on the cross? There seems to be so much scripture quoted here that it is a muddle to me.

 

[Brother Bob]

Guess "Judge not lest you be judged" is a little one that don't really count, hunh? After all, it was only Jesus who said it.

Ed

15: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

You quoted that to a scripture, so I guess you are asking the Lord if He sinned.

I quoted scripture and if they condemn you so be it.

When you don't have an answer to the scripture then take a turn in the road.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Here, David says the wicked speak lies as soon as they are born. Have you ever heard an newborn infant tell a lie? Of course not! There is another meaning to this verse Just as there is a different meaning to the verse you are using to say we are all liars.by the bird


Man you are crazy! Do you have kids? Did they ever wake you in the middle of the night screaming like some one was tearing their arm off? When you went ripping into the room they stopped and smiled.
Man, you better go back to the Methodist church in Mt. Nebo for further instruction.

David said 'as soon as they are born they are speaking lies'. Big difference from after they are brought home from the hospital. Go back and study.

 

[Shiloh]

Go back and dtudy.

Well said...........sounds like someone from the wrong side of the river! :wavey:

 

[EdSutton]

Go back and dtudy.

Well said...........sounds like someone from the wrong side of the river! :wavey:

Ed

 

[Brother Bob]

Guess "Judge not lest you be judged" is a little one that don't really count, hunh? After all, it was only Jesus who said it.

Ed

I was going to say "what about you?", then I thought you got the "ticket".

Does anyone believe the "saved" don't commit adultery, steal, kill etc?

Do you all have Gays in your church also? If they been saved and go back to the life of homosexuality then according to your believe they have the "ticket", so it don't count.

Ed;, shiloh, DHK and grahame, do you all have practicing gays in your church?

 

[Brother Bob]

Bob, I still don't know what you are saying. Could read my question again and tell me what you believe Christ accomplished by his death on the cross? Did he only died for our sins that we committed before we were converted? I'm trying to get a better idea of what you actually believe Christ accomplished for us on the cross? There seems to be so much scripture quoted here that it is a muddle to me.
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I believe we are given the grace to be righteous and not just 'covered'

 

[Shiloh]

Ed;, shiloh, DHK and grahame, do you all have practicing gays in your church?by Bob

Can't speak for the rest of them but I hope not. Do have one or two that don't tithe (1Co 16:2 Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come)and I bet I might even have one that doesn't pray (1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing). That's why we give alter calls. You probably don't know what an alter call is. An alter call, Bob, is when we give an invitation to those who are not saved to come forward and we will show them through Scripture how to "get" saved. It is used also for "CHRISTIANS" who have something in their life (sin) that is hindering their fellowship with their Lord. In other words if they have ever been closer to the Lord then they are right now they need to "hit" the alter. I know this is all foreign to you and your church folks who never sin and live completely sanctified lives.

 

[Brother Bob]

Bob, is when we give an invitation to those who are not saved to come forward and we will show them through Scripture how to "get" saved. It is used also for "CHRISTIANS" who have something in their life (sin) that is hindering their fellowship with their Lord. In other words if they have ever been closer to the Lord then they are right now they need to "hit" the alter. I know this is all foreign to you and your church folks who never sin and live completely sanctified lives.

Is that what they call the "sinners prayer"? We believe in believing and repenting and then go home and tell your friends what good things the Lord had done for you. We announce an open door for those "who feel God has forgiven them of their sins and want a home with us". I really know more than you think I do and could even teach you a thing or two maybe.

Oh, If you found out you had a gay person in your membership, would you continue to fellowship him?

 

[Shiloh]

Bob, It is used also for "CHRISTIANS" who have something in their life (sin) that is hindering their fellowship with their Lord. In other words if they have ever been closer to the Lord then they are right now they need to "hit" the alter. I know this is all foreign to you and your church folks who never sin and live completely sanctified lives.


What do you about the "Christians" in your church that need to come to the alter?

 

[Shiloh]

Oh, If you found out you had a gay person in your membership, would you continue to fellowship him?__________________
Bob,


I don't know exactly what you mean by "fellowship him." The way you are hung up on the adultery thing I am afraid to ask. If I found out a person that called themselves a christian and I found out they continued that life style I would deal with them in the church, give them a chance to repent and change. Whether they were really Saved or not is something I can't tell you. Our Salvation does depend on us it depends on HIM, CHRIST.

 

[Shiloh]

Our Salvation does NOT depend on us it depends on HIM, CHRIST. correction

 

[DHK]

And DHK, you can keep on believing that every man is a liar if you wish, but you are taking that verse out of context.

Look at this verse:

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Here, David says the wicked speak lies as soon as they are born. Have you ever heard an newborn infant tell a lie? Of course not! There is another meaning to this verse Just as there is a different meaning to the verse you are using to say we are all liars.

If we are all liars, then we all will end up in the lake of fire.

Psalm 58:3 is true. You don't have to teach children to lie. They do it by nature. But you do have to teach them to tell the truth. Are you so naive to believe that once a person gets saved he never lies again. If you tell me that you have never lied after you got saved, then you just told me one big whopper just now. And no one will believe you. You will have lost all credibility with all that are on this board.
The Bible says that only God is true, but everyman a liar. Are you challenging God? Are you claiming to be "truth"?

 

[DHK]

I was going to say "what about you?", then I thought you got the "ticket".

Does anyone believe the "saved" don't commit adultery, steal, kill etc?

Jesus bellieved harlots would go to heaven.
Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

 

[Brother Bob]

Bob, It is used also for "CHRISTIANS" who have something in their life (sin) that is hindering their fellowship with their Lord. In other words if they have ever been closer to the Lord then they are right now they need to "hit" the alter. I know this is all foreign to you and your church folks who never sin and live completely sanctified lives.


What do you about the "Christians" in your church that need to come to the alter?

Sounds like the Catholic to me, is that where you picked it up? We believe Salvation is between the individual and the Lord. If they need to talk to the Pastor, they all know they can at any time, not just altar call. Do you have a lot who need the altar to confess their sins.

Also, you didn't answer my question is that where the do the "sinners prayer" and you save them?

 

[Brother Bob]

Our Salvation does NOT depend on us it depends on HIM, CHRIST. correction

You still did not answer if you would let him remain as a member of that church.

Jesus bellieved harlots would go to heaven.
Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
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DHK

If they repented and were born again yes. Now answer me if they were in your church as saved members and you found out they had went back to their old life style, would let them remain as members of your church? That is a simple question, can't you answer it?

 

[Shiloh]

Bob, can you read? If anyone in my church was living in sin they would be taken before the church after they had been dealt with from Mt.18. We would follow the steps therein and if they didn't repent and promise to change they would be removed from membership.
If they were saved they would still go to Heaven. I know you don't agree with this but there is not much scripturally that you do agree with.

 

[DHK]

You still did not answer if you would let him remain as a member of that church.
If they repented and were born again yes. Now answer me if they were in your church as saved members and you found out they had went back to their old life style, would let them remain as members of your church? That is a simple question, can't you answer it?

As I said in another thread, I will not answer a sweeping generalizing with a straight yes or no. I don't know the heart of every individual and neither do you. Each person is different and responds to counsel different. Counsel is the first step, and then we go from there. Each situation, each set of circumstances is different. It is impossible to answer with a straight yes or no. God says that all sins are equal. Since all sins are equal, you can answer this one for me:
If there were in your church saved members and you found out that they went back and continued in their sin of pride and self-righteousness would you let them remain as members of your church? That is a smiple question, can't you answer it?