Alan Gross
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Not 'Baptists'.
The word 'Baptist' is used as an identifier.
Today, it can probably 'be said' to mean 'Buddhist's practices make Muslims better Catholics' if something called itself a Buddist Muslim Catholic Baptist.
But, they may eat dogs, though. Dunno. (before anybody jumps out to 'be one' : weee).
Anyway, Noone 'surrenders', or 'acquiesces', or 'submits' to 'Baptist' something or other.
I throw that word, 'Baptist' back to Jesus' Teachings in The New Testament, for Teaching and Clarity and Worship of God, NOT a name, or a bunch of mean old gray-headed white people that turn around in a hot brick building and smack you with a church fan with a picture of 'Jesus' on it.
In one of these threads we got into the 'starting of a new New Testament assembly' and how that takes place, Scripturally, and IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH' A MOTHER CHURCH GIVING THEM THE OK, OTHER THAN: The participants who agree among themselves to assemble as an organized Organism 'church' of the Kind Jesus Founded, would have Scriptural Baptism.
So, that is important, as to having the Authority of God found in The New Testament.
Not 'a name'.
What I see in The Bible as The church Jesus Built has been called numerous 'names'.
Jesus called it, "My church' and others called them 'Christians', then on from there.
I say 'Baptist', for the baptism of John the Baptist, as an identifier and you can call it The Candlestick of New York City, 29th Street, Manhatten, for all that matters, if God Leads you to Organize one, after following The Lord, as He Did, when He was Scripturally Baptised, by The Authority of God.
Here would be an intro to
THE MEANING OF 'EKKLESIA, by Milburn Cockrel
I will adapt, here:
Throughout all Protestant Christendom there prevails the teaching that the word church has a twofold meaning in the New Testament.
They say at times it is used in the local sense and at other times in the sense of a universal, invisible church consisting of all believers.
They make the word to have a literal sense and a figurative sense.
Universal church people are not agreed on just what this invisible church really is.
The strict dispensationalists would give this definition: "The true church, composed of the whole number of regenerate persons from Pentecost to the first resurrection (I Cor. 15:52*), united together and to Christ by the baptism of the Holy Spirit (I Cor. 12:12-13*), is the body of Christ of which He is the Head (Eph. 1:22-23*). As such it is a holy temple for the habitation of God through the Spirit (Eph. 2:21-22*); is 'one flesh' with Christ (Eph. 5:30-31*); and espoused to Him as a chaste virgin to one husband (II Cor. 11:2-4*)." (See The Scofield Reference Bible, footnote on Hebrews 12:23, p. 1304)."
In Search Of The Universal, Invisible Church (Chapter 1) by Elder Milburn Cockrell - Sovereign Grace Landmark Baptist Pastor
*I do not see, nor believe,
that any of these Scriptures noted are making ANY REFERENCE FROM GOD, in the explanations or definitions stated next to these Bible verses.
I do not see them 'Teaching' what is said above for each of them, marked *.
The way to understand the meaning of a Bible subject includes looking at All The Bible has to say about it.
That's fine.
Then, if we acquiesce and go with God, we can see what He wants us to understand.
The word 'Baptist' is used as an identifier.
Today, it can probably 'be said' to mean 'Buddhist's practices make Muslims better Catholics' if something called itself a Buddist Muslim Catholic Baptist.
But, they may eat dogs, though. Dunno. (before anybody jumps out to 'be one' : weee).
Anyway, Noone 'surrenders', or 'acquiesces', or 'submits' to 'Baptist' something or other.
I throw that word, 'Baptist' back to Jesus' Teachings in The New Testament, for Teaching and Clarity and Worship of God, NOT a name, or a bunch of mean old gray-headed white people that turn around in a hot brick building and smack you with a church fan with a picture of 'Jesus' on it.
In one of these threads we got into the 'starting of a new New Testament assembly' and how that takes place, Scripturally, and IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH' A MOTHER CHURCH GIVING THEM THE OK, OTHER THAN: The participants who agree among themselves to assemble as an organized Organism 'church' of the Kind Jesus Founded, would have Scriptural Baptism.
So, that is important, as to having the Authority of God found in The New Testament.
Not 'a name'.
What I see in The Bible as The church Jesus Built has been called numerous 'names'.
Jesus called it, "My church' and others called them 'Christians', then on from there.
I say 'Baptist', for the baptism of John the Baptist, as an identifier and you can call it The Candlestick of New York City, 29th Street, Manhatten, for all that matters, if God Leads you to Organize one, after following The Lord, as He Did, when He was Scripturally Baptised, by The Authority of God.
Here would be an intro to
THE MEANING OF 'EKKLESIA, by Milburn Cockrel
I will adapt, here:
Throughout all Protestant Christendom there prevails the teaching that the word church has a twofold meaning in the New Testament.
They say at times it is used in the local sense and at other times in the sense of a universal, invisible church consisting of all believers.
They make the word to have a literal sense and a figurative sense.
Universal church people are not agreed on just what this invisible church really is.
The strict dispensationalists would give this definition: "The true church, composed of the whole number of regenerate persons from Pentecost to the first resurrection (I Cor. 15:52*), united together and to Christ by the baptism of the Holy Spirit (I Cor. 12:12-13*), is the body of Christ of which He is the Head (Eph. 1:22-23*). As such it is a holy temple for the habitation of God through the Spirit (Eph. 2:21-22*); is 'one flesh' with Christ (Eph. 5:30-31*); and espoused to Him as a chaste virgin to one husband (II Cor. 11:2-4*)." (See The Scofield Reference Bible, footnote on Hebrews 12:23, p. 1304)."
In Search Of The Universal, Invisible Church (Chapter 1) by Elder Milburn Cockrell - Sovereign Grace Landmark Baptist Pastor
*I do not see, nor believe,
that any of these Scriptures noted are making ANY REFERENCE FROM GOD, in the explanations or definitions stated next to these Bible verses.
I do not see them 'Teaching' what is said above for each of them, marked *.
The way to understand the meaning of a Bible subject includes looking at All The Bible has to say about it.
That's fine.
Then, if we acquiesce and go with God, we can see what He wants us to understand.
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