affordable healthcare act

[freeatlast]

There is so much debate about the affordable healthcare act and if it will be repealed or not. The problem is that its repeal cannot correct the damage that the courts have already done by calling it constitutional. We now for the first time in the history of the United States because of what the court has ruled we have a government that can require every citizen to buy anything that the government decides is best for the country or we will be taxed. This one peace of legislation and court decision has totally done away with the freedoms, rights and liberties that men and women have died for and transferred to the US government an authority over our lives that was never intended by the founding fathers.
The issue is how, when, and at what pace will the government now enforce the new power it has into other areas of our lives?

 

[OldRegular]

There is so much debate about the affordable healthcare act and if it will be repealed or not. The problem is that its repeal cannot correct the damage that the courts have already done by calling it constitutional. We now for the first time in the history of the United States because of what the court has ruled we have a government that can require every citizen to buy anything that the government decides is best for the country or we will be taxed. This one peace of legislation and court decision has totally done away with the freedoms, rights and liberties that men and women have died for and transferred to the US government an authority over our lives that was never intended by the founding fathers.
The issue is how, when, and at what pace will the government now enforce the new power it has into other areas of our lives?

Under the Roberts ruling on Obamacare the law is unconstitutional. All tax legislation must originate in the House of Representatives. Obamacare originated in the Senate. Also there are numerous taxes in the law other than the so-called penalty. After these taxes go into effect there will be another challenge to the Law. For that reason it is essential that the makeup of the court not become more Marxist.

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From: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/03/did-justice-roberts-invalidate-obamacare

The Roberts Opinion that Obamacare is “not commerce” guts seventy-five years of the poisonous growth of the vines of government under the expanded Commerce Clause:

The Framers knew the difference between doing something and doing nothing. They gave Congress the power to regulate commerce, not to compel it. Ignoring that distinction would undermine the principle that the Federal Government is a government of limited and enumerated powers. The individual mandate thus cannot be sustained under Congress’s power to “regulate Commerce."​

In what may be Roberts' ultimate legal slam-dunk of Obama, his ruling that the President and Congress passed a tax now threatens to constitutionally invalidate all of Obamacare under Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution: “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”

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See also: http://theknucklecurve.wordpress.co...ake-the-affordable-care-act-unconstitutional/

 

[freeatlast]

Under the Roberts ruling on Obamacare the law is unconstitutional. All tax legislation must originate in the House of Representatives. Obamacare originated in the Senate. Also there are numerous taxes in the law other than the so-called penalty. After these taxes go into effect there will be another challenge to the Law. For that reason it is essential that the makeup of the court not become more Marxist.

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From: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/03/did-justice-roberts-invalidate-obamacare

The Roberts Opinion that Obamacare is “not commerce” guts seventy-five years of the poisonous growth of the vines of government under the expanded Commerce Clause:

The Framers knew the difference between doing something and doing nothing. They gave Congress the power to regulate commerce, not to compel it. Ignoring that distinction would undermine the principle that the Federal Government is a government of limited and enumerated powers. The individual mandate thus cannot be sustained under Congress’s power to “regulate Commerce."
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In what may be Roberts' ultimate legal slam-dunk of Obama, his ruling that the President and Congress passed a tax now threatens to constitutionally invalidate all of Obamacare under Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution: “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”

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See also: http://theknucklecurve.wordpress.co...ake-the-affordable-care-act-unconstitutional/

:laugh:

 

[preachinjesus]

I think it is helpful to remember that, by ruling the way he did, CJ Roberts did more to hamstring the law than to declare it, en masse, unconstitutional.

 

[freeatlast]

I think it is helpful to remember that, by ruling the way he did, CJ Roberts did more to hamstring the law than to declare it, en masse, unconstitutional.

You are correct as far as this law is concerned, but what he and the court did in regards to opening the door for the government now to completely rule our lives in what we purchase far outstrips any benefit of hindering this one law.

 

[Don]

You are correct as far as this law is concerned, but what he and the court did in regards to opening the door for the government now to completely rule our lives in what we purchase far outstrips any benefit of hindering this one law.

On this, I agree with you 100%. The only hope we have is that Congress (House & Senate) leaps at the opportunity that has been provided them (i.e., the Commerce Clause ruling that Justice Roberts provided) and overturn the whole thing; and then that we actually vote and overturn the Senate and get some people who care about "the little people" of our country in deeds rather than just words.

 

[freeatlast]

On this, I agree with you 100%. The only hope we have is that Congress (House & Senate) leaps at the opportunity that has been provided them (i.e., the Commerce Clause ruling that Justice Roberts provided) and overturn the whole thing; and then that we actually vote and overturn the Senate and get some people who care about "the little people" of our country in deeds rather than just words.

Because of the door this law has opened I fear it will now take a constitutional amendment to fix the damage this law has done, but because of the divide and the lack of resolve in the republican party I see no hope of that happening.

 

[OldRegular]

Because of the door this law has opened I fear it will now take a constitutional amendment to fix the damage this law has done, but because of the divide and the lack of resolve in the republican party I see no hope of that happening.

The law will be challenged under Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution: “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”

The current court will then find the law unconstitutional. Another leftist justice and NO!

 

[mandym]

The law will be challenged under Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution: “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”

The current court will then find the law unconstitutional. Another leftist justice and NO!

Interesting.....:thumbsup:

 

[freeatlast]

The law will be challenged under Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution: “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”

The current court will then find the law unconstitutional. Another leftist justice and NO!

Not going to happen. The constitution is a shattered document and no longer holds the authority it once did. By the way weren't you one of those who said this would not pass?

 

[OldRegular]

Not going to happen. The constitution is a shattered document and no longer holds the authority it once did. By the way weren't you one of those who said this would not pass?

No! No!:tongue3: