Al Gore , some CEOs and the UN say the Covid crisis is opportunty to change to socialism worldwide

[Scott Downey]

Al Gore, UN Secretary-General, others now demanding 'Great Reset' of global capitalism

Plan to redistribute wealth by laws and destroy the capitalistic system, of course they say 'change' it.
This is the agenda of the BLM too.

At a meeting hosted by the highly influential World Economic Forum earlier in June, powerful officials from nonprofits, government, business, academia, labor unions and activist groups announced their plan for a “Great Reset” of global capitalism. It’s a proposal they acknowledged has only been made possible because of the “opportunity” provided by the economic destruction caused by the novel coronavirus.

Supporters and attendees of the meeting included Prince Charles; António Guterres, the secretary-general of the United Nations; Ajay Banga, CEO of MasterCard; Bernard Looney, CEO of BP; and Gina Gopinath, the chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, among many others.

The purpose of the Great Reset isn’t merely to enact policies that would lead to additional wealth redistribution, but rather to completely overhaul the world’s existing structures and institutions

 

[church mouse guy]

Very interesting! Globalism just won't go away and the European elite just won't enjoy their wealth. The Vatican is another large player in this cause and Pope Francis has repeatedly said that the pandemic is a wounded earth striking back at people for using the world's resources. I think that the USA should stop attending Davos or paying any attention to them. As for the printing of money, the USA has ran red ink since 1932 and it is time for the GOP to address the problem or go into the wastebasket with the Democrats.

 

[Scott Downey]

The spirit behind globalism is the devil, and this one world government idea wont go away. This is ordained of God as to what is to occur, that the whole world will be shown to be aligned to the devil, and the world will be judged by the Father, so it can not be stopped, it is going to happen eventually which will usher in the age of the Resurrection with Christ's return. And the devil and his people can and will go to hell to be burned.

This is ordained to fulfill God's purpose.

12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”
15 Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you [g]saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”

 

[church mouse guy]

The spirit behind globalism is the devil, and this one world government idea wont go away. This is ordained of God as to what is to occur, that the whole world will be shown to be aligned to the devil, and the world will be judged by the Father, so it can not be stopped, it is going to happen eventually which will usher in the age of the Resurrection with Christ's return. And the devil and his people can and will go to hell.

Yes, and it does show that the notion that things are getting better and better is garbage as we watch the greed of the European elite that is dissatisfied with their wealth and now craves power over all the world. Because Pope Francis is so involved with the UN and globalism and climate control, I totally believe that he is the Anti-Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes, and it does show that the notion that things are getting better and better is garbage as we watch the greed of the European elite that is dissatisfied with their wealth and now craves power over all the world. Because Pope Francis is so involved with the UN and globalism and climate control, I totally believe that he is the Anti-Christ.

Exactly, the world is not getting better and better, it is getting worse and worse.

I know a pastor that preaches a message that Christ has not returned yet because the church is lazy and not converting the whole world. His message is the World must first be Christianized everywhere, then Christ returns to rule and reign with select christian persons the nations, the church will hand over to Christ a perfected world and the world will not be destroyed, there is no Antichrist person to come, and Revelation was written for the first century Christians, that Nero was the Antichrist. So there will not be a new heavens and a new earth, we already have the new heavens and earth right now. Funny how Peter though said we look forward to it, a place where righteousness dwells , not that they of Peter's time already had it.

So basically no sudden or coming destruction of the wicked because there wont be any, the entire world will be christian. He tells his people, the church is a failure.

 

[timtofly]

Exactly, the world is not getting better and better, it is getting worse and worse.

I know a pastor that preaches a message that Christ has not returned yet because the church is lazy and not converting the whole world. His message is the World must first be Christianized everywhere, then Christ returns to rule and reign with select christian persons the nations, the church will hand over to Christ a perfected world and the world will not be destroyed, there is no Antichrist person to come, and Revelation was written for the first century Christians, that Nero was the Antichrist. So there will not be a new heavens and a new earth, we already have the new heavens and earth right now. Funny how Peter though said we look forward to it, a place where righteousness dwells , not that they of Peter's time already had it.

So basically no sudden or coming destruction of the wicked because there wont be any, the entire world will be christian. He tells his people, the church is a failure.

The church is a failure in that regards, but that is not why Christ has not returned. But the pastor is only wrong in motive, not principle. We need to win all the lost, even if it was 2000 years from now. That was the state when Jesus gave the order 2000 years ago.

As for how money is distributed. The first church sold all they had. If everyone in the whole world sold all they had, who would be the buyers? Economy is control, it was never anything else. Capitalism is no more of God, than people owning nothing. They sold all they had is communism, but all being equally sick from lack of food, is not biblical, nor sustainable. But to truly have Faith in God would be no economy at all. The Government should not control money to begin with. But how would people survive? Mutual respect. That is the whole point government uses economy, is it not? It does not work that way, not even in communism. You cannot force any one to respect one another, because most say, "respect is earned". Really, so you want me to respect you, but I have to earn your respect? Respect is still control. People are afraid of anarchy, because they do not respect others, and thus do not trust others. They rely on the government to provide them with the most comfort, for the least they have to give. That does not work at all. Neither does any economy.

 

[church mouse guy]

Exactly, the world is not getting better and better, it is getting worse and worse.

I know a pastor that preaches a message that Christ has not returned yet because the church is lazy and not converting the whole world. His message is the World must first be Christianized everywhere, then Christ returns to rule and reign with select christian persons the nations, the church will hand over to Christ a perfected world and the world will not be destroyed, there is no Antichrist person to come, and Revelation was written for the first century Christians, that Nero was the Antichrist. So there will not be a new heavens and a new earth, we already have the new heavens and earth right now. Funny how Peter though said we look forward to it, a place where righteousness dwells , not that they of Peter's time already had it.

So basically no sudden or coming destruction of the wicked because there wont be any, the entire world will be christian. He tells his people, the church is a failure.

That sounds a bit like what we were taught in the mainline in the 1950s--that the world would become Christian before Jesus returned. I think that Scripture merely states that the Gospel must be preached to all the world, no? As for the rest about Nero as the Anti-Christ, etc., that sounds like Preterism to me. We know that Martin Luther did not believe that Jesus had returned yet because he believed that Pope Leo X was the Anti-Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

That sounds a bit like what we were taught in the mainline in the 1950s--that the world would become Christian before Jesus returned. I think that Scripture merely states that the Gospel must be preached to all the world, no? As for the rest about Nero as the Anti-Christ, etc., that sounds like Preterism to me. We know that Martin Luther did not believe that Jesus had returned yet because he believed that Pope Leo X was the Anti-Christ.

Exactly so. And all his teaching about no destruction coming and how we prevent Christ's return is all false teaching.

 

[Scott Downey]

The church is a failure in that regards, but that is not why Christ has not returned. But the pastor is only wrong in motive, not principle. We need to win all the lost, even if it was 2000 years from now. That was the state when Jesus gave the order 2000 years ago.

As for how money is distributed. The first church sold all they had. If everyone in the whole world sold all they had, who would be the buyers? Economy is control, it was never anything else. Capitalism is no more of God, than people owning nothing. They sold all they had is communism, but all being equally sick from lack of food, is not biblical, nor sustainable. But to truly have Faith in God would be no economy at all. The Government should not control money to begin with. But how would people survive? Mutual respect. That is the whole point government uses economy, is it not? It does not work that way, not even in communism. You cannot force any one to respect one another, because most say, "respect is earned". Really, so you want me to respect you, but I have to earn your respect? Respect is still control. People are afraid of anarchy, because they do not respect others, and thus do not trust others. They rely on the government to provide them with the most comfort, for the least they have to give. That does not work at all. Neither does any economy.

I talked to one who goes there, see I used to go there but his ideas were false and frankly made me itchy to leave. So I talked to this guy and explained according to scripture how his teaching is wrong, and his defense is no one can know for sure, and anyone can say the scripture means one thing or another and it does not matter... so many private interpretations, but then if scripture has no purpose, see they also believe it is man's words inspired by God as in a man thinking about godly things and then writing down what he thought, not actual God breathed words, then there is not much point to any teaching or doctrine one way or another. So you can not show anything scripture wise and have it be true, it is just a man's interpretation of another man's writings of words written down 2000 years ago. So to me they are ignorant of everything except extremely basic concepts.
2 Timothy 3
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

So then there cant be any
truth in doctrine as no doctrine is provable
no reproof is possible because no one knows what it really means
or correction as it can mean so many different things

Personally I could not live my life with such nebulous ideas.

Yes the pastor is a hard preterist, and when you show him anything scriptural that conflicts with his view you can never get anywhere because he knows he is right. Cults are those who have their own private understanding, I was amazed so many fell for it. Mostly they say it does not matter, it is not a salvation problem because they believe in Christ.

And the church is not a failure, God makes people born of God, and places them in His church. Since He is the head of the church, if the church is a failure then so is God and Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

I wonder if there are preterists here who believe God wont and can not send Christ back because the church is a failure and God is a second hand player with man determining the future because man did not christianize everyone in the world.

 

[Adonia]

The only globalism I will accept is when Jesus is running things, other than that forget it.

 

[timtofly]

the church is not a failure, God makes people born of God, and places them in His church. Since He is the head of the church, if the church is a failure then so is God and Christ.

Actually God does not work that way. The church is added to by word of mouth. Yes God did all the work, but God sent each redeemed human to bring in other human beings. The church has failed, if they say it is God that goes to every human on earth. The Holy Spirit seals every human on earth, but unless the watchman goes and warns those dead in their sin, they will not hear. Romans 10:14-15
14 But how can they call on someone if they haven’t trusted in him? And how can they trust in someone if they haven’t heard about him? And how can they hear about someone if no one is proclaiming him?
15 And how can people proclaim him unless God sends them? — as the Tanakh puts it, “How beautiful are the feet of those announcing good news about good things!”

 

[Scott Downey]

Actually God does not work that way. The church is added to by word of mouth. Yes God did all the work, but God sent each redeemed human to bring in other human beings. The church has failed, if they say it is God that goes to every human on earth. The Holy Spirit seals every human on earth, but unless the watchman goes and warns those dead in their sin, they will not hear. Romans 10:14-15
14 But how can they call on someone if they haven’t trusted in him? And how can they trust in someone if they haven’t heard about him? And how can they hear about someone if no one is proclaiming him?
15 And how can people proclaim him unless God sends them? — as the Tanakh puts it, “How beautiful are the feet of those announcing good news about good things!”

Your wrong, God gives the growth of the church.
God uses means and has chosen to use people and angels to spread the gospel as ministers and witnesses, that is it, you did not save anyone, nor are you responsible for anyone getting saved. God alone adds to His church, not any minister, angel or other minster or servant. You must be born again to see the kingdom, that word 'see' means to perceive, want anything to do with. So if God does not first make you Born of God, then you will not believe in Christ or want anything to do with God and Christ, you will remain unsaved, and a slave of sin and the devil.
Look up the meaning of see in John 3:3

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Unless born again first, you will not believe in Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.

Acts 2:41
Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.
Acts 2:47
praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
Acts 5:14
And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women,
Acts 11:24
For he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a great many people were added to the Lord.

G1492 - eidō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)
See means this,

1. to see
   
   1. to perceive with the eyes
      
      
   2. to perceive by any of the senses
      
      
   3. to perceive, notice, discern, discover
      
      
   4. to see
      
      1. i.e. to turn the eyes, the mind, the attention to anything
         
         
      2. to pay attention, observe
         
         
      3. to see about something
         
         1. i.e. to ascertain what must be done about it
            
      4. to inspect, examine
         
         
      5. to look at, behold
         
   5. to experience any state or condition
      
      
   6. to see i.e. have an interview with, to visit
      
2. to know
   
   1. to know of anything
      
      
   2. to know, i.e. get knowledge of, understand, perceive
      
      1. of any fact
         
         
      2. the force and meaning of something which has definite meaning
         
         
      3. to know how, to be skilled in
         
   3. to have regard for one, cherish, pay attention to (1Th. 5:12)
      

 

[timtofly]

Your wrong, God gives the growth of the church.
God uses means and has chosen to use people and angels to spread the gospel as ministers and witnesses, that is it, you did not save anyone, nor are you responsible for anyone getting saved. God alone adds to His church, not any minister, angel or other minster or servant. You must be born again to see the kingdom, that word 'see' means to perceive, want anything to do with. So if God does not first make you Born of God, then you will not believe in Christ or want anything to do with God and Christ, you will remain unsaved, and a slave of sin and the devil.
Look up the meaning of see in John 3:3

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Unless born again first, you will not believe in Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.

Acts 2:41
Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.
Acts 2:47
praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
Acts 5:14
And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women,
Acts 11:24
For he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a great many people were added to the Lord.

G1492 - eidō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)
See means this,

1. to see
   1. to perceive with the eyes
      
      
   2. to perceive by any of the senses
      
      
   3. to perceive, notice, discern, discover
      
      
   4. to see
      1. i.e. to turn the eyes, the mind, the attention to anything
         
         
      2. to pay attention, observe
         
         
      3. to see about something
         1. i.e. to ascertain what must be done about it
      4. to inspect, examine
         
         
      5. to look at, behold
   5. to experience any state or condition
      
      
   6. to see i.e. have an interview with, to visit
2. to know
   1. to know of anything
      
      
   2. to know, i.e. get knowledge of, understand, perceive
      1. of any fact
         
         
      2. the force and meaning of something which has definite meaning
         
         
      3. to know how, to be skilled in
   3. to have regard for one, cherish, pay attention to (1Th. 5:12)

So God is wrong, because you say God is wrong? God can only save and change lives. Currently only the church is tasked with spreading God's good news of Atonement. Your argument is not with me, but God.

BTW: all those verses happened because a human openly told them the good news. God took over, after a person talked about the Gospel.

 

[Scott Downey]

So God is wrong, because you say God is wrong? God can only save and change lives. Currently only the church is tasked with spreading God's good news of Atonement. Your argument is not with me, but God.

BTW: all those verses happened because a human openly told them the good news. God took over, after a person talked about the Gospel.

So your a pelagion?

 

[timtofly]

So your a pelagion?

No, just a witness for God.

 

[Scott Downey]

No, just a witness for God.

Saying 'God took over, after a person talked about the Gospel.' is a Pelagian idea.
noun

1. a person who believes in the theological doctrine of Pelagius, especially its denial of the doctrines of original sin and predestination, and defense of innate human goodness and free will.

Meaning God's grace is not needed just a human act of the will to choose to see and believe, because the human will is neutral, not corrupted by sin and the evil of the devil.

 

[timtofly]

Saying 'God took over, after a person talked about the Gospel.' is a Pelagian idea.
noun

1. a person who believes in the theological doctrine of Pelagius, especially its denial of the doctrines of original sin and predestination, and defense of innate human goodness and free will.

Meaning God's grace is not needed just a human act of the will to choose to see and believe, because the human will is neutral, not corrupted by sin and the evil of the devil.

Acts 2:38-41

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Just because you did not quote Acts 2:47 in context, when I said it was after hearing the Word, which the above verses state, I am pelagian?

 

[Scott Downey]

Acts 2:38-41

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Just because you did not quote Acts 2:47 in context, when I said it was after hearing the Word, which the above verses state, I am pelagian?

God does not take over after people are convicted to believe...
verse 39, the promise of eternal life in Christ is only for as many as the Lord our God shall call. Which is why God changed their heart to be enabled unto repentance.

A further example
John 6
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

God grants repentance, if God does not grant for someone to repent, then they do not repent. Which is why some mock the gospel and do not believe in Christ.

2 Timothy 2:25-26 New King James Version (NKJV)
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

 

[timtofly]

God does not take over after people are convicted to believe...
verse 39, the promise of eternal life in Christ is only for as many as the Lord our God shall call. Which is why God changed their heart to be enabled unto repentance.

A further example
John 6
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

God grants repentance, if God does not grant for someone to repent, then they do not repent. Which is why some mock the gospel and do not believe in Christ.

2 Timothy 2:25-26 New King James Version (NKJV)
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

God taking over was never the point. You said only God proclaims the Gospel. I said God sent other humans to proclaim the Gospel. You sad, no, I was wrong.