Allegation: *Rainbow* Jews & there is no Jewish Race Today

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by bapmom:
Whoever the 144,000 are, the Bible specifies that they will be descendants of the original 12 tribes. God even takes the time to write out - 12 thousand from this tribe, 12 thousand from that tribe - and so on. That would indicate to me that, while we here don't have those records any longer, GOd does, and He will sort it out in the end.

What happened to the Tribe of Dan? It is not included in the list so your premise is incorrect!

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by Paul of Eugene:
The 144000 is a symbolic number anyway. 12 being completeness, 12 x 12, very complete, 1000 x 12 x 12 being very very very complete.

Yes, and they represent the Church not Israel.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by webdog:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Paul of Eugene:
The 144000 is a symbolic number anyway. 12 being completeness, 12 x 12, very complete, 1000 x 12 x 12 being very very very complete.

That "symbolism" is awfully specific! </font>[/QUOTE]Yep, 144,000 from 12 tribes (Dan is omitted) and they are "virgin males." Pretty specific for "symbolism." </font>[/QUOTE]Paraphrasing Ed Ed "Tee Hee".

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by rjprince:
All very interesting. And much of it very useless. Let Grasshopper use Britanica, DNA, and whatever. I will stick with the Bible...

Luke 21:24 - "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

Rom 11:25-27 - "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

The Deliverer, Jesus Christ, has already come out of Sion, some 2000 years ago, and the Jews rejected Him.

 

[LadyEagle]

"And so all Israel shall be saved:"

Negates your statement. Either that, or Paul was clueless.

 

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For most of the Old Testament, being an Israelite seems to have been counted by having a patriarchal lineage from Israel. Judah had Pharez and Zerah of Tamar, and she wasn't a descedant of Israel (and ergo not his sister.) Solomon had a number of wives and children by them, and apparently his children were considered to be Israelites. The law allowed men to take as wives captive women from war. Apparently their children were to be recognized.

A friend of mine who seems to know everything about Judaism and Israel says that in the Babylonian captivity, there were so may rapes that they considered children of Jewish women to be Jews. Also, the children have to be circumcised, if I am not mistaken, to continue to be recognized as Jews throughout the lineage.