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Alt-right vs. Old Republican

Revmitchell

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Paleoconservatism is a political philosophy and subset of conservatism in the United States that emphasizes American nationalism, Christian ethics, regionalism, and traditionalist conservatism. Paleoconservatism’s concerns overlap with those of the Old Right, which opposed the New Deal in the 1930s and 1940s, as well as paleolibertarianism and right-wing populism.

The term “paleoconservatism” was coined in the 1980s to describe an extinct brand of conservatism exemplified by Robert Taft, the legendary isolationist who lost the Republican nomination to Dwight Eisenhower in 1952. It was known as the “Old Right” at the time.

Following the outbreak of the Vietnam War and a schism in American conservatism between interventionists and isolationists, the terms neoconservative and paleoconservative were coined. Those who supported the Vietnam War became known as neoconservatives (interventionists), as they represented a decisive break from the nationalist-isolationism that the traditionalist conservatives (isolationists) had previously subscribed to.

Paleoconservatives also tend to hold views historically associated with (but not limited to) the United States’ largely rural and agrarian regions. Respect for established social hierarchies and traditional gender roles, resentment of government interference in regional ways of life (e.g., for the purpose of enforcing civil rights), adherence to Christian moral principles, and skepticism of universal democracy and equality are examples of such perspectives. Paleoconservatives, for example, have vehemently opposed multiculturalism, identity politics, and the social ideal of diversity as grave threats to America’s ethnic and cultural identity since the 1980s.

Paleoconservatism – a Political Philosophy
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What is being referred to as the "Alt-right" is often a misnomer as it is not known by many who use it what it really is. It became popular during the run up to the 2016 election as a means to refer to anyone who supported Trump as a racist. The "Alt-right" is considered a movement to include white nationalism. There are very few "alt-right" people in this country as there are few white nationalists. As such the term is often abused for political purposes.

As is mentioned in the above article paleoconservatism or Old Conservative are more appropriate monikers for many being referred to as "Alt-right". Eisenhower did a lot of work to move the Republicans to what is now understood as "establishment republicans". This was not how it was with Republicans at first and for many years after. The establishment Republicans such as Bush, McCain, Ryan, McConnell etc. will claim to hold to conservative principles but in practice they show themselves to be less than conservative. They will create a list of what is deemed as conservative principles but their language and insistence of putting other things in practice show them to be something other than conservative. They will often speak out of both sides of their face.
 

JonC

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It does seem that the alt-right (or far-right) and far-left are shifting targets.

One definition of "alternative right" or alt-right (from Websters) is "a right-wing, primarily online political movement or grouping based in the U.S. whose members reject mainstream conservative politics and espouse extremist beliefs and policies typically centered on ideas of white nationalism."

Given that definition I'd expect it to be a minority - but vocal, particularly online - position. It is by definition an alternative position.

That said, the alt-right was fairly active in 2010. Looks like it started in 2008 (withthe decline and rise of the alt right), although I'm sure the ideologies predate that speech.

Today anybody who disagrees with the Democrats, want strong boarders, are against transgender agendas, ect. are labeled alt right.

I guess that's to be expected. Within conservative circles some do the exact same thing (they call anybody who disagrees with them RINOs, leftists, liberals, etc).

Both constitute intellectual dishonesty.
 

Revmitchell

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The disagreements within political circles often engender certain responses. However, its never just that someone disagrees with another but is always about the specific ways in which on disagrees that leads to certain monikers being assigned.

The white nationalism isn't even a blip on the radar but the left likes to make it more than what it is. That is their tactic. Try to make something small and wrong appear to be more than what it is because they see that as a tool to gain sympathy for their cause.

In conservative circles monikers such as "establishment", "RINO", "liberal" etc. are given to anyone seen watering down the ways of the Old Republican. these are things that were held to dearly in the early days of America and the Republican Party. These liberal changes began more prominently with Eisenhower. Folks like McConnel, McCain, Ryan, Bush are in fact more liberal that Old Republican.

Terms like "mainstream conservatism" are used, falsely" to paint a false picture that the more liberal in conservative circles (i.e. claim a list of conservative values but in word and practice do not display them) are the majority among "conservatives" in the country. They are not.
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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Christian Democrat ala the American Solidarity Party is what I would call myself (Socially UltraRight, Economically Moderate), but so as not to confuse people I often call myself a PaleoConservative/Populist in conversation and bring up Pat Buchanan as an example.

And yes, I've been a PaleoConservative/Populist for over a decade and yet suddenly around 2016 I start getting called "Alt-Right" LOL.
 

Revmitchell

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Christian Democrat ala the American Solidarity Party is what I would call myself (Socially UltraRight, Economically Moderate), but so as not to confuse people I often call myself a PaleoConservative/Populist in conversation and bring up Pat Buchanan as an example.

And yes, I've been a PaleoConservative/Populist for over a decade and yet suddenly around 2016 I start getting called "Alt-Right" LOL.


And it was a false moniker
 

JonC

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The disagreements within political circles often engender certain responses. However, its never just that someone disagrees with another but is always about the specific ways in which on disagrees that leads to certain monikers being assigned.

The white nationalism isn't even a blip on the radar but the left likes to make it more than what it is. That is their tactic. Try to make something small and wrong appear to be more than what it is because they see that as a tool to gain sympathy for their cause.

In conservative circles monikers such as "establishment", "RINO", "liberal" etc. are given to anyone seen watering down the ways of the Old Republican. these are things that were held to dearly in the early days of America and the Republican Party. These liberal changes began more prominently with Eisenhower. Folks like McConnel, McCain, Ryan, Bush are in fact more liberal that Old Republican.

Terms like "mainstream conservatism" are used, falsely" to paint a false picture that the more liberal in conservative circles (i.e. claim a list of conservative values but in word and practice do not display them) are the majority among "conservatives" in the country. They are not.
I agree to an extent. I wouldn't say it is always specific ways in which they disagree, though.

I recall one comment I had made. I believe it was here on the BB (but not sure). Trump had tweeted something that became the topic of a thread. I posted that I voted for Trump and agreed with him, but that being President I didn't think the tweet was worded in the best interest of the nation, the GOP, or Trump.

You should have seen the backlash. I was called a Democrat, a liberal, a never-Trumper, and anti-Trump because I thought the tweet was unprofessional.
 

DaveXR650

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but so as not to confuse people I often call myself a PaleoConservative/Populist in conversation and bring up Pat Buchanan as an example.

Yeah, Pat Buchanan is the poster child for paleo-conservative. I remember when he ran for President, in the primary campaign he went to a gun show, held up a rifle over his head and said when he was President the New World Order was coming crashing down! It didn't seem to go over with the general audience though.
 
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