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Alternative forms of taxation

Salty

20,000 Posts Club
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AUTOMATIC TAX -- Any electronic transfer of money would be taxed.
Eliminates all federal, state and local taxes by combining them into one single, extremely low excise tax. No accounting involved, no need for complicated and expensive tax preparation, or audits. Would save our government $500 billion
No deductions - no loopholes
There could be a 20 year transition period.
Tax would be 5%


FAIR TAX-- Would replace all federal taxes with a consumption tax on all New goods and services.
A monthly payment would be made to all family households as a "prebate" up to the poverty level. a business would be able to exempt genuine business expenses
Non-profits, including religious would not be taxed.
States/Commonwealths woA. uld be responsible for collecting the taxes -and would retain .25% of receipts.
The tax rate would be 23% and then adjusted annually as needed

FLAT TAX --
A. True Flat Tax -- one tax rate is applied to all personal income with no deductions.
B. Marginal Flat Tax --Where deductions are allowed, a 'flat tax' is a progressive tax
C. Limited Deductions - allow deductions for a few items, ( ie Medical, mortgage interest, charity)
Critics contend that a flat tax system could be created with many loopholes,
Every tax period a company would make a single payment to the government covering the taxes on the employees and the taxes on the company profit.
Tax Rate possibly 15%

VALUE ADDED TAX -- The VAT imposes a tax on the value added at every intermediate step of production, so the goods reach the final consumer with much of the tax already in the price.[91] The retail seller has little incentive to conceal retail sales, since he has already paid much of the good's tax.
Tax Rate - approximately 10%
 

TCassidy

Late-Administator Emeritus
Administrator
How about no tax at all? Taxation is theft. Let the people support which ever programs they choose to support. The Conservatives can support the Military and the Liberals can support Welfare. And just do away with those activities that nobody thinks enough of to financially support.

Problem solved.
 

InTheLight

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AUTOMATIC TAX -- Any electronic transfer of money would be taxed.
Eliminates all federal, state and local taxes by combining them into one single, extremely low excise tax. No accounting involved, no need for complicated and expensive tax preparation, or audits. Would save our government $500 billion
No deductions - no loopholes
There could be a 20 year transition period.
Tax would be 5%

Seriously?!! 5%!!! LOW?!! That's insane.

Use your debit card at the grocery store--5% tax.
Pay your mortgage online--5% tax.
Get your paycheck direct deposited--5% tax.
Buy some gas for your vehicle--5%.
Buy stuff on Amazon--5%
Contribute to a Roth IRA--5%
Buy shares in a mutual fund--5%
Pay your children's college tuition--5%
Pay your utility bills online--5%

Craziness!!

If implemented the effect would be to cause people to use paper checks and cash for purchases.

IIRC, you've been touting this electronic tax for years and years and when I first encountered your posts the rate was 0.1% or somesuch. Now you've got it at 5%?!!
 

FollowTheWay

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
How about no tax at all? Taxation is theft. Let the people support which ever programs they choose to support. The Conservatives can support the Military and the Liberals can support Welfare. And just do away with those activities that nobody thinks enough of to financially support.

Problem solved.
No taxation equals no government services. No police, fire or emergency ambulance support. No checking of airplanes to determine whether they are safe to fly. No testing of food and drugs. NO MILITARY. No support for the needy. No medical support for the poor. We are already the worst developed country in the world in these last two areas. Your "plan" would put us down at the bottom of the whole world..
 

Reynolds

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AUTOMATIC TAX -- Any electronic transfer of money would be taxed.
Eliminates all federal, state and local taxes by combining them into one single, extremely low excise tax. No accounting involved, no need for complicated and expensive tax preparation, or audits. Would save our government $500 billion
No deductions - no loopholes
There could be a 20 year transition period.
Tax would be 5%


FAIR TAX-- Would replace all federal taxes with a consumption tax on all New goods and services.
A monthly payment would be made to all family households as a "prebate" up to the poverty level. a business would be able to exempt genuine business expenses
Non-profits, including religious would not be taxed.
States/Commonwealths woA. uld be responsible for collecting the taxes -and would retain .25% of receipts.
The tax rate would be 23% and then adjusted annually as needed

FLAT TAX --
A. True Flat Tax -- one tax rate is applied to all personal income with no deductions.
B. Marginal Flat Tax --Where deductions are allowed, a 'flat tax' is a progressive tax
C. Limited Deductions - allow deductions for a few items, ( ie Medical, mortgage interest, charity)
Critics contend that a flat tax system could be created with many loopholes,
Every tax period a company would make a single payment to the government covering the taxes on the employees and the taxes on the company profit.
Tax Rate possibly 15%

VALUE ADDED TAX -- The VAT imposes a tax on the value added at every intermediate step of production, so the goods reach the final consumer with much of the tax already in the price.[91] The retail seller has little incentive to conceal retail sales, since he has already paid much of the good's tax.
Tax Rate - approximately 10%
I don't like any of them. I have saved money for years. I have intentionally deferred very little tax. Now, you want to tax it again with a consumption tax? No!
 

Reynolds

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Seriously?!! 5%!!! LOW?!! That's insane.

Use your debit card at the grocery store--5% tax.
Pay your mortgage online--5% tax.
Get your paycheck direct deposited--5% tax.
Buy some gas for your vehicle--5%.
Buy stuff on Amazon--5%
Contribute to a Roth IRA--5%
Buy shares in a mutual fund--5%
Pay your children's college tuition--5%
Pay your utility bills online--5%

Craziness!!

If implemented the effect would be to cause people to use paper checks and cash for purchases.

IIRC, you've been touting this electronic tax for years and years and when I first encountered your posts the rate was 0.1% or somesuch. Now you've got it at 5%?!!
A check still has electronic processing.
 

Reynolds

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
How about no tax at all? Taxation is theft. Let the people support which ever programs they choose to support. The Conservatives can support the Military and the Liberals can support Welfare. And just do away with those activities that nobody thinks enough of to financially support.

Problem solved.
I like it. The government has become a big brother nuisance. I honestly think the Federal govt should maintain the military and NOTHING else. The States should do the rest.
 

FollowTheWay

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I like it. The government has become a big brother nuisance. I honestly think the Federal govt should maintain the military and NOTHING else. The States should do the rest.
Letting individuals decide what services to fund and not to fund is unworkable. What if 50% of the people decide to fund nothing?
 

TCassidy

Late-Administator Emeritus
Administrator
Given the choice whether to pay taxes or to pay nothing to the government which one would you choose? Why?
I would support many local programs (as I already do) and would support the Military, the State Department, the Department of Veteran's Affairs, and the Federal Judiciary. I will have to think about Treasury.
 

Adonia

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The Fair Tax" is the most fair of all. Everyone pays, everyone has "some skin in the game" as Obama was so fond of saying. People who are involved in illegal activities pay as well as the law abiding. I vote for the "Fair Tax", provided that the 16th Amendment is abolished. The added plus is that the dreaded IRS would be eliminated.
 

Reynolds

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
The Fair Tax" is the most fair of all. Everyone pays, everyone has "some skin in the game" as Obama was so fond of saying. People who are involved in illegal activities pay as well as the law abiding. I vote for the "Fair Tax", provided that the 16th Amendment is abolished. The added plus is that the dreaded IRS would be eliminated.
I don't! Unlike most Americans, I have saved money my entire life. Tax paid money! Now, you want to tax it again when I spend it? Surely you must have a screw loose.
 

FollowTheWay

Well-Known Member
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I would support many local programs (as I already do) and would support the Military, the State Department, the Department of Veteran's Affairs, and the Federal Judiciary. I will have to think about Treasury.
The people here have a better sense of morality and responsibility than most. My thought is that in the population at-large most people would not support anything through taxes if they were given the chance to pay none.
 
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