Alzheimer’s and eternal security

[Ben1445]

There are some folks who don’t believe in the security of the believer. I do.
But there are some who say that you must examine yourself to see if you are in the faith, be faithful unto death, etc., things that I believe Christians do because they are born again and not to stay born again.

If salvation can be lost, what happens to people with Alzheimer’s disease? They effectively live life in reverse mentally.
Some folks become people who their families have not known.
In the case of medical conditions, are there exceptions to be made and how would you justify that Scripturally?
Or is a rejection of age related diseases or medical conditions damnable?
I do like to know how people believe when the rubber meets the road, as they say.
So here is a real life scenario. A medical condition that affects cognitive abilities. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. What happens when the mouth doesn’t sound like a Christian anymore?

 

[Charlie24]

There are some folks who don’t believe in the security of the believer. I do.
But there are some who say that you must examine yourself to see if you are in the faith, be faithful unto death, etc., things that I believe Christians do because they are born again and not to stay born again.

If salvation can be lost, what happens to people with Alzheimer’s disease? They effectively live life in reverse mentally.
Some folks become people who their families have not known.
In the case of medical conditions, are there exceptions to be made and how would you justify that Scripturally?
Or is a rejection of age related diseases or medical conditions damnable?
I do like to know how people believe when the rubber meets the road, as they say.
So here is a real life scenario. A medical condition that affects cognitive abilities. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. What happens when the mouth doesn’t sound like a Christian anymore?

When the mouth no longer sounds like a Christian anymore the believer still believes but is in the state of backsliding.

Salvation is not lost, this is when you're going to get a spanking from your Father, as the Scripture warns us.

The loss of salvation is an act of no longer believing in the heart, something in life has happened and you no longer have that faith that saved you.

Paul gives us the example of this in Hebrews, through peer pressure and persecution the Hebrews/Jews were turning their backs on Christ and returning to temple worship, Judaism.

Paul warns them of the "willful sin" which is willingly transferring faith in Christ to something else, in the Hebrews case it was a transfer of faith from Christ back to Judaism. He tells them "after you have received the knowledge of truth ( Biblical salvation by grace through faith in Christ) there is no more sacrifice for sins, (Jesus Christ is the only sacrifice for sin, if you turn from it there is no other way to receive the forgiveness of sins).

 

[Scarlett O.]

There are some folks who don’t believe in the security of the believer. I do.
But there are some who say that you must examine yourself to see if you are in the faith, be faithful unto death, etc., things that I believe Christians do because they are born again and not to stay born again.

If salvation can be lost, what happens to people with Alzheimer’s disease? They effectively live life in reverse mentally.
Some folks become people who their families have not known.
In the case of medical conditions, are there exceptions to be made and how would you justify that Scripturally?
Or is a rejection of age related diseases or medical conditions damnable?
I do like to know how people believe when the rubber meets the road, as they say.
So here is a real life scenario. A medical condition that affects cognitive abilities. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. What happens when the mouth doesn’t sound like a Christian anymore?

I'm with you. Those Christians who get very severe Alzheimer's or have traumatic brain injuries and don't know who they are, who their children are, who Jesus is, being saved, how to use the bathroom, or how to bring a spoon to their mouths..,....they don't lose their salvation.

Why not? It's not that the loss of cognition takes Jesus away.

It's that once one is in the hands of Christ, so says he, nothing can snatch you out of his hands.

There is no disease that can undo the power of the blood of Christ.

 

[Ben1445]

The loss of salvation is an act of no longer believing in the heart, something in life has happened and you no longer have that faith that saved you.

There are people who no longer believe they are married. It is the way that some medical conditions affect the body.
Do they cease to be married because they cannot remember their spouse?
Do they cease to be children of God because they have not the memory to recall their Saviour?
Some have reverted to their mental state before salvation. They become unrecognizable as Christians. I’ve not heard it specifically, but I can imagine that someone whose mind is failing may not recall their Christianity and may not know their own salvation.
Where is the breaking point for them?

 

[Charlie24]

There are people who no longer believe they are married. It is the way that some medical conditions affect the body.
Do they cease to be married because they cannot remember their spouse?
Do they cease to be children of God because they have not the memory to recall their Saviour?
Some have reverted to their mental state before salvation. They become unrecognizable as Christians. I’ve not heard it specifically, but I can imagine that someone whose mind is failing may not recall their Christianity and may not know their own salvation.
Where is the breaking point for them?

If they drifted off into that loss of memory in faith they take Christ with them.

They have eternal security through that faith they no longer remember.