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An IFB thoughts on the SBC

Salty

Salty

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A very good personal friend of mine sent me this FB pm:

It Looks like the convention is moving toward a definite full blown endorsement of female Preacher’s. If that happens will you continue in the Southern Baptist convention?


I have not answered him yet - only because I have been going non-stop with the merger of two SBC churches
and having given my notice as interm pastor of an ABC church. In fact - today has been my first "goof-off day" in over a month. - I have been posting a bit on BB - but those have usually been quick answers - Many I looked at -but did not want to get into a lot of detai.

Anyways, I think Tom (not his real name) has heard about the situation of Beth Moore - I have seen that on BB - but have not really got into the discussion.

So why to you think that "Tom" beleives that the SBC will go full blown to female pastors.
Yes, I now plan on getting into this subject a little bit more.

BTW, our first merge service happened this past Sunday - six in attendence - we are looking for great things to happen - BECAUSE HE LIVE! (and we will only have male pastors!)
 
Reformed1689

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Salty said:
A very good personal friend of mine sent me this FB pm:

It Looks like the convention is moving toward a definite full blown endorsement of female Preacher’s. If that happens will you continue in the Southern Baptist convention?


I have not answered him yet - only because I have been going non-stop with the merger of two SBC churches
and having given my notice as interm pastor of an ABC church. In fact - today has been my first "goof-off day" in over a month. - I have been posting a bit on BB - but those have usually been quick answers - Many I looked at -but did not want to get into a lot of detai.

Anyways, I think Tom (not his real name) has heard about the situation of Beth Moore - I have seen that on BB - but have not really got into the discussion.

So why to you think that "Tom" beleives that the SBC will go full blown to female pastors.
Yes, I now plan on getting into this subject a little bit more.

BTW, our first merge service happened this past Sunday - six in attendence - we are looking for great things to happen - BECAUSE HE LIVE! (and we will only have male pastors!)
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It's been brewing:

Women Are the Talk of 2018’s Southern Baptist Annual Meeting
 
StefanM

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I don't think most SBC churches would go along with it, but I could be wrong.

It would be one thing to tolerate churches who call women to pastoral roles, but it would be another to amend the BF&M to endorse female pastors.

I think a lot of churches might be able to go along with cooperating with a handful of churches who call women as pastors, but I don't think there is any way that the SBC as a whole would amend the BF&M in that way.
 
Salty

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If there was a church in our association - that voted in a female pastor - I'm sure that our Association
would vote to dis-fellowship that church.
 
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Shoostie

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Salty said:
It Looks like the convention is moving toward a definite full blown endorsement of female Preacher’s. If that happens will you continue in the Southern Baptist convention?
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Yes, the SBC is moving toward female preachers. The feminists in the SBC just need more time for post-Christian culture to further infect Baptists. The SBC president says he wants women proportionally represented in SBC leadership. There's no way anyone could say such a thing who doesn't woman pastors. And, there's a growing number of articles written by SBC members advocating women as pastors.

One article at SBCvoices.com states, "Recently, there has been a change in the conversation that I am so excited about; a conversation that is shifting from women as the 'backup plan' to 'part of the plan.'” (Calling "complimentarianism" a "backup plan" is to belittle complimentarianism.)
 
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Revmitchell

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Shoostie said:
Yes, the SBC is moving toward female preachers. The feminists in the SBC just need more time for post-Christian culture to further infect Baptists. The SBC president says he wants women proportionally represented in SBC leadership. There's no way anyone could say such a thing who doesn't woman pastors. And, there's a growing number of articles written by SBC members advocating women as pastors.

One article at SBCvoices.com states, "Recently, there has been a change in the conversation that I am so excited about; a conversation that is shifting from women as the 'backup plan' to 'part of the plan.'” (Calling "complimentarianism" a "backup plan" is to belittle complimentarianism.)
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Was the author McKissic?
 
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Steven Yeadon

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I left the SBC for IFB and Freewill Baptist churches recently. Beth Moore and the controversy with John MacArthur, someone many very conservative Baptists listen to, was the straw that broke the camel's back IMO. There is a lot behind the scenes.

First, there was almost no discussion in my churches or Sunday schools on what biblical womanhood looks like. To use the bible's passages is to look insane to the culture and even most Christian women. That the very subject of biblical womanhood is controversial bodes very ill for trying to keep and enforce doctrine on the matter.

Second, the SBC cultural milieu has already been trying to appeal to Seekers and thus appeal to people that embrace the broader American culture in general since at least the late 90s. I'm sorry, but having been a seeker at an earlier point, there needs to be a real push to convince us American pop culture is wicked.

Third, pop psychology and entertainment is infecting too many sermons. Entertaining seekers and comforting people who should not be comforted is not a winning combination in the siege the world and broader culture has placed on Christians. We need a defense of biblical Christianity desperately instead so that disciples who believe and act rightly are made.

Fourth is something I saw years ago. I was usually very unusual in my SBC church for being a 20 something engaged at church. I was stunned how much of an exodus there was from high school to college. I came to the faith first at 20 so I didn't go through the high school to college period. However, it is just unsustainable to lose 5 out of 6 young adults and hold onto conservative doctrine against the American culture except as islands of resistance against the world system.

Lastly, and most tellingly, biblical flat illiteracy is at epic proportions in every SBC church I ever joined for a little while. The only people among my early career age group that knew the bible were ministers or those that one day wanted to be one.

Something has to give eventually, and IMO the biggest problems are that the youth left, the young adults don't know the bible, biblical womanhood is controversial to discuss, and the culture now hates Christianity. Meanwhile, Seekers are sought without asking them to count the cost of leaving American pop culture. Lastly, there is but a whimper coming from too many pastors providing entertainment sermons instead of preparing the church to face a siege and hatred by the culture around us while calling us to the biblical faith.

I am convinced sociologists are bound to write the post-mortem on American evangelicalism because the factors seem so generational and structural as to our decline.
 
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Shoostie

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Steven Yeadon said:
Something has to give eventually, and IMO the biggest problems are that the youth left, the young adults don't know the bible, biblical womanhood is controversial to discuss, and the culture now hates Christianity.
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Your post has a lot of important and right stuff in it. I've been attending the same SBC church for a long time, but consider it to be practically worthless. I haven't found another church nearby that's any better. It's a popular church that gets nothing but 5 star reviews.

Yes, after high school, the young people disappear. Many disappear before high school ends. They haven't been taught godliness that would keep them in church after their parents no longer drag them to church. They haven't been taught a defense of the faith. Indeed, they see church as worthless, too. But, I go, they don't.

We've lost our Christian culture, and soon we'll lose our Christian majority.
 
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Steven Yeadon

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I was thinking that right living and right beliefs are very controversial and divisive in practically every church. As Jesus said, divided houses don't stand. How can we unite if we can't even agree on what Christianity is and how to live as saints? I'll have to think on what can be done. Do we need smaller churches founded in biblical literacy and holy living?
 
church mouse guy

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Young people are taught in high school that science has disproven Genesis. Now science has shown evolution to be false but high school teaching lags behind due to politics.
 
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Marooncat79

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Why do they disappear?

1. Obviously, they were never regenerate. I John
2. We children’s churched them out. They were never around older mature Xians
3. It is not seen as important. See 1&2
4. They do not feel needed ie they are never allowed to be involved in true ministry until much older.

Thats where we need to start
 
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