Another question for anti-Calvinists

You said you have another question for anti-calvinists.

Would you Carefully word "another" (implying one question) question and pose it to the anti-Calvinists? Your leading post contains 4 questions. It is difficult to respond to one question when there are four. A poorly worded post at best.

Why don't you try again?

 

Wes,
If you look at it real close;it is only one question.

Here it is again. Copied and pasted:

In other words- if you (as a believer) are weak and helpless without God, why were you able to be strong and faithful as an unbeliever?


BTW Whetstone, this is a very good question.

 

I don't venture into this forum very often, but I don't even understand the question, about being "faithful as an unbeliever"??

I think strength an spiritual state as a believer is a joint-effort, God and I together.

 

How can one who "is a believer" ever be without God? The only way to be with out God is to be athiest, one who denies that God exists.

I don't think you know enough truth to be able to ask the question.

 

What does the fact of John 15:5 have to do with Calvinism? We believe that God has mercy on whom He will have mercy (Rom. 9:15), but that Isa. 66:2 is also a part of it. Calvinism totally leaves this point off.

We have a free will to choose whether to reject God's Word (John 12:48; Isa. 65:12) or not. If you don't believe me I suggest that you read Isa. 66:3 and 4 and find the words "chosen" and "choose". You might also consider these:

Acts 13:26; 17:11-12
Isa. 55:7
Ps. 34:18
Zech. 1:3
Prov. 1:29

 

Hi Jackrus;
I agree good post and good references. Amen
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
Mike

 

This is foolishness, as no true believer would take any credit for what God has done for them, whether Calvinist or not. Try to deal with real issues, and not spend too much time in trying to make Calvinists out to be more Biblical than the rest.

 

OK, icthus--and you don't spend too much time in trying to make Arminians out to be more Biblical than the rest.

 

Hi Margo;

How do you know He is an Arminian. Is it just because he disagrees with the Calvinist position? Lables are an unkind way of pinning a false name on someone.
May Christ Shine His Light on us all;
Mike

 

I didn't say he was one--I guess it was implied. ROFL But I was just bein' silly. Obviously you guys are going to be debating this until kingdom come.

My point was, regardless of your stand, we gotta make sure we each esteem others more than ourselves.

 

I didn't answer the question adequately because I don't understand it. Again, what is a faithful unbeliever?

 

The anti-Calvinist position posits that a person is free to have faith on his own apart from divine intervention because Christ 'made it possible' for everyone to be saved. In other words- we may generate our own faith because we are not totally inable to do so. So my question is: can you (as a believer) generate your own faith- and if not- why were you able to generate faith as an unbeliever? </font>[/QUOTE]Can you quote someone who actually says that you can "generate your own faith"?

I am not a Calvinist, but certainly do NOT hold to this teaching, though I do believe that Scripture is plain that Christ indeed did die for everyone without exception

 

Ah. Then I feel my first answer was adequate: I think it is/was a joint-effort, God and I together - not exclusively one or the other.

 

Sure. I'll start off by saying that I never said, nor do I believe, that salvation is a 'joint effort', but faith is. We are not saved by faith, we are saved by grace.

I believe God enables us to have faith, but doesn't force us to. And once we have faith, that faith can grow through the Lord's help, etc.