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Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Martin, Jun 25, 2005.

  1. Martin

    Martin Active Member

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    Seven questions for MV-ers:

    You said:
    1. What is the scriptural support-alone for only having 66 books in the Bible?

    ==The Old Testament is supported and quoted by the Lord Jesus Himself as authoritative (see Matt 5:17-20, Lk 24:44-49, etc). As for the New Testament? The Apostle Paul's writings and teachings are endorsed by the other apostles and Peter as Scripture (2Pet 3:14-16). Not only this but the books agree with each other doctrinally, and historically. The other "writings" often have doctrinal or historical errors and therefore cannot be inspired (since God is truth).
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    2. Was the pure, inspired, preserved words of God in existance between the time the original autographs were destroyed and before the AV 1769 was published?

    ==The Word of God has never been "destroyed". The autographs were carefully copied, etc, etc, etc. Errors (etc) did slip into the text over time. However God has seen to it that these errors be taken out. Today our translations, including the KJV, are about 98-99% faithful to the autographs. This can be known through a careful study of the texts and manuscripts. The KJV is not, at any point, the first or final english translation.
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    3. If so, where were they specifically, and in what form were they?

    ==Various greek manuscripts. As for which "school" of texts/manuscripts is to be favored? That is up to the individual student. However, either way, it is totally untextual to claim the KJV is the final and only faithful english translation.
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    5. Do you currently have in your posession "scripture"?

    ==Yes. I am not saying that the KJV is not Scripture, it is. However these modern translations, yes the KJV is a modern translation, are just that: translations. There is never to be a perfect, one-for-one, translation from greek to english. Not only that there are textual varients that must be considered (though very minor in nature). Inspiration while technically only applying to the autographs can, in a non-technical way, be applied to faithful translations.
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    6. Was there, at any time before the AV1769, a single volume of the NT containing the pure, inspired, preserved words of God?


    ==The autographs. I reject your claim that 1769 (or 1611) are benchmark years in Biblical history. See above.
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    7. Is there today, anywhere, a single volume of the NT containing the pure, inspired, preserved words of God?

    ==Do you mean 100% identical to the autographs?

    Not unless the autographs were put in codex form and have survived somewhere. All translations and copies contain some textual variance (no matter how minor). That is why I keep stressing that our english translations are about 98-99% correct (ie..like the autographs). See above.

    Martin.

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    [ June 26, 2005, 04:59 PM: Message edited by: C4K ]
     
  2. Martin, please be more careful, taking in account the qualifiers (eg "only" and "autographs" and "single volume") before forming your response. Other than that, you did a pretty good job.
     
  3. StefanM

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    It seems that Martin intended the use of his qualifiers. He's not KJVO.
     
  4. Martin

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    ==I was careful in what terms I used where. Could you explain further?

    Martin.
     
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