Arar gets 10.5 million Dollars

[Eliyahu]

A Syrian man who was tortured in Syria after US sent him from US airport to Syria receives 10.5 million Can Dollars ( may be about 9 million USD) from Canadian government with the official apology, as a compensation.

Syrian government can help Syrian people in Canada by torturing them when they visit their home country Syria, then they will get millions of dollars as the compensation. Maybe later on Canada cannot afford to accept any more Muslims or Arabs as they may be tortured and Canada has to compensate for them. Canada government and Prime Minister apologized to Arar, and Arar is exremely joyful to receive it and money.

http://www.thestar.com/default

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/175551

I think US and/or Canada should not accept any Muslim or Arabs from the countries which are not democratic, because they are too expensive! Muslims and Arabs are too expensive!

 

[Daisy]

A Syrian man...

He's a Canadian citizen and has been since he was a teenager.

...who was tortured in Syria after US sent him from US airport to Syria...

He was kidnapped by the CIA off a plane that stopped at JFK on the way to Canada. He was held for a week in the US before he was sent to Syria to be "questioned" at what many suspect is one of those secret CIA overseas prisons that Bush no longer denies exist.

receives 10.5 million Can Dollars ( may be about 9 million USD) from Canadian government with the official apology, as a compensation.

Syrian government can help Syrian people in Canada by torturing them when they visit their home country Syria, then they will get millions of dollars as the compensation.

He was (and is) a Canadian citizen who was not visiting, he was kidnapped, transported, imprisoned and tortured. Most people understand that there is a not so slight distinction.

Maybe later on Canada cannot afford to accept any more Muslims or Arabs as they may be tortured and Canada has to compensate for them. Canada government and Prime Minister apologized to Arar, and Arar is exremely joyful to receive it and money.

Joyful to have lost a year of his life and to have undergone torture?

Maher Arar has a long-awaited formal apology finally in hand, $10.5 million and official recognition at last of his innocence.

But there is one thing he lacks.

"I wish, if there is a way, if I could buy my life back. That's my biggest wish," said the 36-year-old computer software engineer and father of two.

*snip*

Arar's deportation called a halt to a promising career. Since his nightmare began, he hasn't been able to get a job in his field.

*snip*

Visibly relieved, Arar spoke of lost time with his wife and children, a lost career, and his lost peace of mind.


"Is there really a price on this? I don't think so. But in a way for me, really the compensation is a way of acknowledging my innocence and a message the government is sending me: `Here's a way to help rebuild your life.'"


But he added, "there's no amount of money that would compensate me for what myself and my family have gone through. ... The most important thing for me is the apology."


http://www.thestar.com/default

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/175551

Is that what extreme joy sounds like?

I think US and/or Canada should not accept any Muslim or Arabs from the countries which are not democratic, because they are too expensive! Muslims and Arabs are too expensive!

Or, this is just a thought, we could refrain from kidnapping, torturing and slandering innocent people who happen to be Muslim or Arab.

 

[Eliyahu]

He's a Canadian citizen and has been since he was a teenager.

He was kidnapped by the CIA off a plane that stopped at JFK on the way to Canada. He was held for a week in the US before he was sent to Syria to be "questioned" at what many suspect is one of those secret CIA overseas prisons that Bush no longer denies exist.


He was (and is) a Canadian citizen who was not visiting, he was kidnapped, transported, imprisoned and tortured. Most people understand that there is a not so slight distinction.

Joyful to have lost a year of his life and to have undergone torture?

Is that what extreme joy sounds like?


Or, this is just a thought, we could refrain from kidnapping, torturing and slandering innocent people who happen to be Muslim or Arab.

Why doesn't he claim anything from Syrian government which tortured himself?
My Info is quite different from yours. He was just sent to Syria as he wished, based on the wrong Info from CSIS ( Canadian CIA). In any case Arabs are too expensive to import from their own countries because their own countries torture their own people and the victims don't argue against their own countries but only against Canada or USA.

 

[KenH]

I think US and/or Canada should not accept any Muslim or Arabs from the countries which are not democratic, because they are too expensive!

That's a rather silly statement.

 

[Daisy]

Why doesn't he claim anything from Syrian government which tortured himself?

Do you know that he isn't? "Tortured himself" ? Many people think that the camp did not belong to the Syrians but to the CIA.

My Info is quite different from yours.

The article that you referenced in the OP is the one I quoted from. Wouldn't it be better to cite the source of your info instead of citing one that contradicts what you say?

He was just sent to Syria as he wished,

Where do you get that he wished it, seeing as he was on his way back home to Canada, seeing as he had reason to be afraid of going to Syria as he had not done his mandatory military service there before emigrating?

...based on the wrong Info from CSIS ( Canadian CIA).

Wrong info, yes.

In any case Arabs are too expensive to import from their own countries because their own countries torture their own people and the victims don't argue against their own countries but only against Canada or USA.

Are you serious or are you playing Devil's Advocate?

 

[Eliyahu]

He's a Canadian citizen and has been since he was a teenager.

He was kidnapped by the CIA off a plane that stopped at JFK on the way to Canada. He was held for a week in the US before he was sent to Syria to be "questioned" at what many suspect is one of those secret CIA overseas prisons that Bush no longer denies exist.

Where did you get such information that he was kidnapped by CIA? CIA must haven the authority to investigate any suspicous man for the security reasons. If you read the article, it simply says he was deported to Syria. How did you creat a new story on it?

 

[Daisy]

Where did you get such information that he was kidnapped by CIA? CIA must haven the authority to investigate any suspicous man for the security reasons. If you read the article, it simply says he was deported to Syria. How did you creat a new story on it?

I've been following the story for a long time.

eta: Here (linkie) is one from nearly two years ago. Hear (linkie) is another from around the same time, which was before Washington admitted to having such secret camps.

 

[Eliyahu]

Do you know that he isn't? "Tortured himself" ? Many people think that the camp did not belong to the Syrians but to the CIA.

Did I say to you that Arar tortured himself? Is it based on your way of creating new stories?
Isn't it Syria that tortured him? Did USA tortured Syria so that Syria may torture Arar? Where do you get such informnation that USA has a secret camp of torturing inside Syria? So, does Syria run the government according to the instruction by USA? Do you believe it? Do you have any data from Gallop survey to support that many people think so?

The article that you referenced in the OP is the one I quoted from.

The article that I quoted doesn't say about how he was sent to Syria. Since the beginning, it has been generally known that Arar was stopped by US CIA and CIA requested CSIS ( Canadian CIA) the Info about Arar, then CSIS gave some wrong Info, implying that he is suspicious about the links with terrorists. Based on such Info, US CIA deported him to Syria with the personal Info acquired from CSIS.
Syria which retained him over 1 year had a plenty of time to investigate thoroughly about the true aspects of the case, and they had enough time to verify what CSIS provided, what US CIA attached to him as a personal Info. However, that stupid Syrian government and Syrian intelligence agency simply mistreated him and just tortured him, because it is usual practice and custom of Muslim and Arab countries today. They never exerted their effort to find out the truth about Arar, but simply tortured him. Arar never complained Syrian government, IMO, or as much as he condemned Canada and USA.

Did Canadian authority torture him ? Nope!
Did Canadian government ask Syria torture him ? Nope!
Did US ask Syria to torture him ? It can be plausible, but if Syria were a democratic country, it could have resisted any demand from USA. USA might have implied such treatment as a diplomatic pressure. But that kind of pressure or implication can happen in diplomacy but cannot be a reason for Syria to torture him.
The legal entity that tortured Arar was Syrian Government. If Arar had to be compensated, Syria must have done it first. If Syria had a due reason to render the responsibility to Canada or to USA, then they could have requested thru the government channels.
As long as Muslims or Arabs do not point out the source of the problems correctly, they will never be able to change until they are all thrown away to the Lake of Fire. Muslims must start to point out that their own home countries are more problematic and the sources of all the wickedness today.

Wouldn't it be better to cite the source of your info instead of citing one that contradicts what you say?

Where do you get that he wished it, seeing as he was on his way back home to Canada, seeing as he had reason to be afraid of going to Syria as he had not done his mandatory military service there before emigrating?

Wrong info, yes.

Are you serious or are you playing Devil's Advocate?

The article that I quoted do not reveal very much about how and why he was deported from USA and how he was tortured in detail, either in support of your claim or in support of my claim. Read thru it. But since years ago, he was known as being deported and tortured in Syria, based on the information from CSIS, by US CIA. Not all the information of any Intelligence Agencies in the world are 100% correct, and CSIS never intended or wanted US CIA to deport him to Syria. You must provide the evidence that US runs the torturing camp inside Syria, otherwise it is absolutely false accusation. Do you notice the silence of Syrian Embassy?

The Words like to return to the source. Therefore let me return your words to your mouth!:
Are you playing the Devil's Advocate?
Are you a human or a Devil's Advocator ?

Why are the muslims or Arabs quick to blame US or Canada or Israel for all the problems without knowing their own problems in their own home countries? As long as they don't realize their own problems and try to change their own home countries' dictatorship, torturing, mistreatment, their countries will not change until God finally decompose them and send them to the Hell.

 

[Jim1999]

Regardless of the rhetoric around this man, Canada has done the right thing in issuing an apology from the Prime Minister and awarding him a pittance to get on with his life IN Canada..........Now to get the US government to remove his name from their list of terrorists.

He also stated that he loves Canada, and wants to live his life out as a Canadian citizen...did some miss that quote?

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Daisy]

Did I say to you that Arar tortured himself? Is it based on your way of creating new stories?

Well, read your own post - "tortured himself" was your phrase, not mine. I don't think you meant it like that, but it was your phrase and you are trying to blame what happened to him on him.

Isn't it Syria that tortured him?

He was tortured in Syria, but at whose behest?

Did USA tortured Syria so that Syria may torture Arar?

Paid is my impression.

Where do you get such informnation that USA has a secret camp of torturing inside Syria? So, does Syria run the government according to the instruction by USA? Do you believe it?

I posted two references, one rather lengthy, less than 15 minutes before you asked. Read them and I'll give you more.

Do you have any data from Gallop survey to support that many people think so?

Now you're just being silly.

The article that I quoted doesn't say about how he was sent to Syria.

So why did you say he was sent there at his own request? Many, many other news stories, some of them posted here at the BB, have been written about him and others similarly treated. Some people read more than one article on a subject.

Since the beginning, it has been generally known that Arar was stopped by US CIA and CIA requested CSIS ( Canadian CIA) the Info about Arar, then CSIS gave some wrong Info, implying that he is suspicious about the links with terrorists. Based on such Info, US CIA deported him to Syria with the personal Info acquired from CSIS.
Syria which retained him over 1 year had a plenty of time to investigate thoroughly about the true aspects of the case, and they had enough time to verify what CSIS provided, what US CIA attached to him as a personal Info.

Verify? The Canadians have verified his innocence. That's why he gets the money and the apology, the apology in writing to allay any future questions.

However, that stupid Syrian government and Syrian intelligence agency simply mistreated him and just tortured him, because it is usual practice and custom of Muslim and Arab countries today.

Um, where does the article say the Syrian government tortured him?

They never exerted their effort to find out the truth about Arar, but simply tortured him.

How do you know what he was asked or by whom?

Arar never complained Syrian government, IMO, or as much as he condemned Canada and USA.

And what is your opinion based on?

Did Canadian authority torture him ? Nope!
Did Canadian government ask Syria torture him ? Nope!
Did US ask Syria to torture him ? It can be plausible, but if Syria were a democratic country, it could have resisted any demand from USA. USA might have implied such treatment as a diplomatic pressure. But that kind of pressure or implication can happen in diplomacy but cannot be a reason for Syria to torture him.

The legal entity that tortured Arar was Syrian Government.

How do you know? Your article doesn't say that.

If Arar had to be compensated, Syria must have done it first. If Syria had a due reason to render the responsibility to Canada or to USA, then they could have requested thru the government channels.

He was tortured in Syria, but I have never heard that it was by the Syrian government. They certainly allowed it, but was it done by them?

As long as Muslims or Arabs do not point out the source of the problems correctly, they will never be able to change until they are all thrown away to the Lake of Fire. Muslims must start to point out that their own home countries are more problematic and the sources of all the wickedness today.

He is a Canadian citizen who forsook his birth country.

The article that I quoted do not reveal very much about how and why he was deported from USA and how he was tortured in detail, either in support of your claim or in support of my claim. Read thru it. But since years ago, he was known as being deported and tortured in Syria, based on the information from CSIS, by US CIA. Not all the information of any Intelligence Agencies in the world are 100% correct, and CSIS never intended or wanted US CIA to deport him to Syria. You must provide the evidence that US runs the torturing camp inside Syria, otherwise it is absolutely false accusation.

It is not a false accusation unless I know it is false; "baseless accusation" would be the correct term if I had no basis. As it is, read the articles I provided. Do you remember Bush finally admitting that we do have secret camps for "special" prisoners? Arar is not the only one so treated.

The Words like to return to the source. Therefore let me return your words to your mouth!:
Are you playing the Devil's Advocate?
Are you a human or a Devil's Advocator ?

Do you know what the term means? I am not playing the DA as I am firmly against torture.

Why are the muslims or Arabs quick to blame US or Canada or Israel for all the problems without knowing their own problems in their own home countries? As long as they don't realize their own problems and try to change their own home countries' dictatorship, torturing, mistreatment, their countries will not change until God finally decompose them and send them to the Hell.

Ok, but what about our countries outsourcing torture? Aren't we supposed to set an example of good behavior? Is there any moral difference between torturing someone and having someone tortured? I don't see that there is.

 

[Eliyahu]

I've been following the story for a long time.

eta: Here (linkie) is one from nearly two years ago. Hear (linkie) is another from around the same time, which was before Washington admitted to having such secret camps.

Please don't misunderstand that I am condoning the Torture. It should not happen but happens in the most of Muslim and Arab countries as your article quoted as Arar worried about:
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Having been told by his parents about the barbaric practices of the police in Syria, Arar begged crew members not to send him there, arguing that he would surely be tortured. His captors did not respond to his request; instead, they invited him to watch a spy thriller that was aired on board.
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I never heard Arar condemning Syria!
Often, even when Sep 11 occurred, Muslims condemn US for their supporting Israel condoning Terrorism, sometimes rejoicing with their extreme joyfulness. If they find any problem with the wrongful practice of US or Canada, they condemn them as if their own home countries are blameless and nice countries.
Torturing cannot be used, and nothing can be achieved by torturing, I believe. But the point which I wanted to address to is that Muslims are very quick to blame other countries like US/Canada/Israel, before looking at their own problems.

Again, did Canada request Syria to torture Arar? Nope!
Did Canada torture Arare? No!
What did Canada do on this case? CSIS provided US their Info in their file. Their file might have mentioned he was suspicious because he worked with the suspect's brother. This type of vague information can be usual in the society of intelligence.
Canada compensated and apologized him while US don't do anything, even Syria which tortured don't do anything. This is the point that I wanted the viewers on this BB to notice, and I do believe that Muslim world will not be changed or improved unless they start to speak up against their own home countries before they blame US/Canada/Israel.
Arar confessed the barbaric practice and torturing practice in Syria, then was such practice established by USA? Why did such practice exist before Arar was deported there? Why are the Arabs keeping silence on their own problems? Is it in order for them to demand the compensation from Canada and to live on it? Then US and Canada cannot afford to bring more Muslims because they are too expensive! Muslims should know how to keep the distance from the terrorists clearly. Nevertheless, Arar suffered a lot there and need a certain compensation anyway, and the first entity should be Syria.

 

[Eliyahu]

That's a rather silly statement.

Your response is silly!