ARE ANGELS "SAVED"?

No, they aren't "saved."

What do you mean "kind of Spirit"? They are created to serve and praise. Guess I'll do some more looking before I make this my final answer, Regis.

 

No angels cannot be saved, Jesus did not become an angel to fulfill the law of the kinsman redeemer (goel) to save angels, He became a man to save men. Yes angels had just as free a will as Adam. Job seems to indicates that all the angels (morning stars) were created at the same time, so all the angels were created in unconfirmed creature holiness. Some of the angels (up to a third, Rev 12:4) joined Lucifer in his rebellion against the Most High and therefore fell from their sinless estate.

Created? God/Jesus created it all. Sin brought the curse, not God's creative word. Joh 1:3 All things were made (ginomai, brought into existence) by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

Do angels still have free will?

 

Webdog,

personally, I think yes. But I also think that they have seen the results of sinful rebellion in ways that men never will and those who have not rebelled yet, will not rebel. That is just opinion since I cannot find a clear statement to that effect, however it is related to this passage...

This seems to be the time at which all are confirmed in a state of being either unjust/filthy or righteous/holy.

Any other ideas???

 

Not only can angels NOT be saved, they do not understand salvation at all and look on in wonderment at the cross of Christ.

 

Whose angels, God's or Satan's? If you mean God's angels, they already are Heavenly beings of some sort.

 

Angels are individually created free moral agents. They are like people except not bound by the limitations of a corporeal body. Yet they can be appear in human form at times and to communicate a message. There are not made up of God's Spirit or any other spirit. They are spirits in and of themselves...

 

I believe they do. The Bible says we will judge angels someday. If that fact alone doesn't make a person reflect upon one's walk with the Lord, I don't know what will. I for one certainly don't feel deserving or righteous enough to judge angels.

 

4His_glory I don't understand why angels don't understand salvation . Could you please explain this with scripture so I can understand what your saying.

 

BroBob,

Fallen angels are also heavenly angels of some sort!

 

Angels can not be redeemed, Christ did not die for them and we are told that God immediatly reprobated those that fell. (2Pt. 2:4)

When they see God's salvation of sinners unfold they glorify Him for His great plan of salvation. Peter tells us that angels desire to "look into" the glories of salvation- it is somthing of a mystery to them.

So angels can see salvation and understand that God is working a great plan, but angels are not all-knowing, and they, never having experienced, salvation can only look upon sinners who are saved with wonderment and glorify God.

 

2 Corinthians, chapter 12

": It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.

"2": I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
"3": And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

"4": How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Which Heaven were they all cast out of?
And again, God's angels are heavenly beings of some sort. The devils angels are different.

 

Strange where one question can lead us. We are heading for some deep discussion, I think.

 

Ephesians, chapter 1
"1": Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

"2": Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

"3": Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:


Ephesians, chapter 2
"4": But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

"5": Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

"6": And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:


Hebrews, chapter 12
"21": And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake

"22": But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

"23": To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


We certainly agree on the Third Heaven but like you I have heard several different veiws on what they are but to me the First Heaven was "The Church under the Law" and I think that is where the devil and his angels were cast out of for they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb. The Chuch under the Law was in the flesh so Satan certainly had his part. The Second Heaven I believe to be the Church as of today under the saving Grace of Jesus Christ who died that he might take the church out of the flesh and put it in the heart where the devil has no part. The devil can still reach the outward man (flesh) but the church itself is inwardly and God seekth such to worship in Spirit and in Truth, no longer the fleshly offerings or fleshly circumcism but now of the heart.

 

Exodus, chapter 3

4": And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

"5": And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

"6": Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Don't understand how They could do those things in the eternal Heaven?


Forgot this passage