Are Democrats Less Patriotic than Republicans

The answer: Nope.

 

Whoooooooooweeeeeeee! nope not me uhhu now way.:laugh:

 

No, not at all. Anyone can post meaningless data to support their position.

 

re: Are Democrats Less Patrriotic than Republicans

Terry Herrington said:

"Anyone can post meaningless data to support their position."

Can we BB members now put this quote into other posts that use meaningless data to support their position? Such as those who demand the immediate withdrawal of all US military forces from Iraq and Afghanistan, "simply" because a lot of our men have died over there?

It has seemed to me (over my 53 years) that EVERYONE uses polls to support their own position, even when the data IS worthless. I have especially seen the Left (usually Democrats) tailor-make polls to obtain the data they want, rather than an honest poll. (I am not saying the Right does NOT do that. I have just noticed it more with the Left). Questions can always be designed to get a biased answer, and good pollsters know how to do it. Honest pollsters will also NOT do it!

I cannot say whether the poll cited in the OP is an honest poll. I CAN say that the majority of people I known ARE celebrating the 4th of July to honor the men and women who keep our country free, as well as the FACT that Independence Day was established because we have independence from Great Britain.


May all of us enjoy this Independence Day!

Bill

 

How one celebrates Independence Day is meaningless as to "how patriotic one is".

I contend that those who are standing aside, even rooting the Bush administration along, as our civil liberties are shredded are much less patriotic than those who are sounding the clarion call that the U.S. constitution should be obeyed by the executive branch.

 

People celebrate Independence Day in many ways, but I think most everyone would remember the significance. I may get together with family, cook out, make ice cream, go see fireworks, or whatever, but I reflect on the meaning of the day. It has nothing do do with being patriotic or not. For myself, I don't believe in the jingoistic type of patriotism, that my country is always right, always the best, just because I am a citizen. I believe patriotism has an element of pride in the nation, but also the obligation to be vigilant about liberty, including infringement by the government. Patriotism demands dissent where appropriate.

 

According to your poll, carpro, 35% of your fellow Republicans don't celebrate our independence on Independence Day. For a party that when it is in electoral difficulty so often tries to wrap itself in the American flag that's an awfully high percentage.

Maybe you need to answer the question about over a third of your own party members first.

 

I have to ask again...what does recognizing the genesis of the holiday have to do with patriotism?

 

Maybe it's time the demopublicans and republicrats wrapped themselves in the flag they really serve this fourth of July. Like this one.

Or this one.

 

Agree with you there, poncho. Neither the Democratic or Republican parties care about the Constitution or even about the body politic of these United States. They are all pretty much treasonous traitors.

 

Well, there you go: generally, the call is to have our troops withdrawn from Iraq, not Afghanistan. And not "simply" because too many have died.

The ole confirmation bias which is that we notice & remember that which confirms what we already believe and discount & forget that which contradicts it. For instance, the Bush-Rove campaign made generous use of push-polls against opponents, Republicans and Democrats both. In fact, as I recall, his campaign polls against McCain were particularly vicious: voters in South Carolina reportedly were asked "Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?" (linkie) People who then saw him with his adopted Bangladeshi daughter would likely assume that he actually had fathered an illegitimate child.

Of course, one person's campaign shouldn't sully the good name of Republican, except the ole confirmation bias kicks in.

Zogby has a good reputation. Link to poll results.

Hurrah for the ACLU!! Here's to the lawyers: whoohoo!

 

Polling vs. Patriotism

Daisy,

I have heard a LOT of local Democrats calling for the removal of ALL troops anywhere on foreign soil, back to our own country. (To be honest, they have also seemed to confuse Europe with "our own soil", but I suppose that is due to the public education they have received. :laugh: )

My point was that polls can be twisted. Pollsters during the last presidential election campaign repeatedly called my home, but only took my answers while I was answering the way they wanted! As soon as I responded against their own favorite candidate or view (or for an opponent), they hung up on me. Thus, any results they reported were skewed to their own preconceived idea of what the answers should be. THIS IS DISHONEST POLLING.

Truthful and honest pollsters would refuse to do any such thing. Truthful and honest politicians (I know, an oxymoron :smilewinkgrin: ) would prefer to hear what the constituents want to say. Truthful and honest news reporters (another oxymoron :tear: ) would report only the news, not skew the report to the left or the right.

Zogby is a reputable polling company. I am not accusing Zogby of any unethical polling. Nor am I accusing ANY specific pollsters of doing this. I am simply stating that polls can be skewed by the pollsters (or the people who hire them), and that I have experienced it.

Bill

 

Is it a lack of patriotism or a lack of show-offiness?

If they were, might it be because certain types of people would use it to bludgeon them with it? Conform to accepted modes of expression or else?

 

I don't think the country that flag represents exists anymore. If it does, it won't much longer. But I'll wave this flag.
Song of Solomon 2:4 He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love.

 

Yeah, I'll do that right after I finish sewing the family crest on all my jackets.