Are Jews & Muslims Saved?

[Humble Disciple]

While Buddhism is a religion that denies the existence of God, Hinduism is based on pagan polytheism. Jews and Muslims, on the other hand, worship and pray to the same God of Abraham that we do, though interpreted differently.

1 Corinthians 8:2-3
Anyone who claims to know all the answers doesn’t really know very much. But the person who loves God is the one whom God recognizes.

Abraham's faith in God was credited to him as righteousness, despite having no knowledge of doctrines like the Trinity.

Romans 4:9
Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness.

While Muslims might be ignorant as to Jesus' divinity and Jews might be ignorant as to Jesus' Messiahship, judgment as to whether they are saved or unsaved doesn't belong to us.

James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

"Allah" is the Arabic word for God, used both in the Koran and in Arabic translations of the Bible:

Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[10] The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for "God" than "Allah".[32]...

Mainstream Bible translations in the language use Allah as the translation of Hebrew Elohim (translated in English Bibles as "God").[77]
Allah - Wikipedia

While there is indeed violence in the Koran, there's more violence in the Bible:

An analysis into whether the Quran is more violent than the Bible found killing and destruction occur more frequently in the Christian texts than the Islamic.

Investigating whether the Quran really is more violent than its Judeo-Christian counterparts, software engineer Tom Anderson processed the text of the Holy books to find which contained the most violence.

In a blog post, Mr Anderson explains: "The project was inspired by the ongoing public debate around whether or not terrorism connected with Islamic fundamentalism reflects something inherently and distinctly violent about Islam compared to other major religions."...

Mr Anderson summarises: "Of the three texts, the content in the Old Testament appears to be the most violent.

"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%), but the Old Testament clearly leads—more than twice that of the Quran—in mentions of destruction and killing (5.3%)."
Someone analysed the Bible and Quran to see which is more violent

I am not saying that Jews and Muslims should avoid receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. What I am saying is that judgment as to whether they are saved or unsaved belongs to God alone.

 

[JonC]

No, unfortunately Jews (religion) and Muslims are not saved.

 

[Humble Disciple]

No, unfortunately Jews (religion) and Muslims are not saved.

...judgment as to whether they are saved or unsaved doesn't belong to us.

James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

I am not saying that Jews and Muslims should avoid receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. What I am saying is that judgment as to whether they are saved or unsaved belongs to God alone.

James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

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[JonC]

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The reason it is unfortunate that Jews (religion) and Muslims are not saved is this means they will perish (they have no part in the Kingdom).

 

[Humble Disciple]

The reason it is unfortunate that Jews (religion) and Muslims are not saved is this means they will perish (they have no part in the Kingdom).

I am not disagreeing as to whether Jews and Muslims should receive Christ as Lord and Savior, but their ultimate fate is simply unknown to us.

 

[JonC]

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I am not disagreeing as to whether Jews and Muslims should receive Christ as Lord and Savior, but their ultimate fate is simply unknown to us.

Well....I would agree except for Scripture.

In the Bible Jesus tells us that He is the only way. Not only that, but those who deny Him (like in Judiasm and Islam) will be denied.

There is too much Scripture to pretend Muslims and Jews are saved.

Now if you mean can they be saved...then yes. They can.

But a Muslim and a Jew (religion) will not inherited the Kingdom of God.

If you mean exactly what "Hell" means then I agree. We cannot speak to the percise nature of what these people will suffer.

 

[canadyjd]

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I am not disagreeing as to whether Jews and Muslims should receive Christ as Lord and Savior, but their ultimate fate is simply unknown to us.

It is not unknown. There is no other name in heaven or earth whereby one must be saved.

Jesus is the only way. To say there might be another way is blasphemous.

But for someone who is admittedly deceitful, I suspect you will try to find a loophole somewhere.

peace to you

 

[Marooncat79]

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I am not disagreeing as to whether Jews and Muslims should receive Christ as Lord and Savior, but their ultimate fate is simply unknown to us.

Paul seemed clear about it in the NT

 

[Iconoclast]

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I am not disagreeing as to whether Jews and Muslims should receive Christ as Lord and Savior, but their ultimate fate is simply unknown to us.

They do not worship the same God.
Your theology is really mixed up if you even asked this question

 

[Humble Disciple]

There is too much Scripture to pretend Muslims and Jews are saved.

I am not saying that Jews and Muslims should avoid receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

What I am saying is that judgment as to whether they are saved or unsaved belongs to God alone.

James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

If God's Spirit blows wherever He pleases, who are we to judge the salvation of others?

John 3:8
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.

Paul seemed clear about it in the NT

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse

Romans 1:20 says that the attributes of God are clearly seen, so that those who reject God are without excuse. This is referring to the creation as a natural revelation, open to all people, rather than a specific revelation in the Bible.

Abraham's faith in God was credited to him as righteousness, despite having no knowledge of doctrines like the Trinity.

Romans 4:9
Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness.

 

[JonC]

I am not saying that Jews and Muslims should avoid receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

What I am saying is that judgment as to whether they are saved or unsaved belongs to God alone.

James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

If God's Spirit blows wherever He pleases, who are we to judge the salvation of others?

John 3:8
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.



Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse

Romans 1:20 says that the attributes of God are clearly seen, so that those who reject God are without excuse. This is referring to the creation as a natural revelation, open to all people, rather than a specific revelation in the Bible.

Abraham's faith in God was credited to him as righteousness, despite having no knowledge of doctrines like the Trinity.

Romans 4:9
Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness.

I understand. No person should reject Christ. But the fact is many do, and they remain condemned.

If we are to believe the Bible then we have to recognize a few things concerning this topic:

1. The Muslim god is not (by description, character, or attribute) the God of the Bible.

2. There is only One Way. Not one possible way, or One Great Should, but One Way.

3. Those who do not confess Christ will not be saved.

4. Muslims, Jews (religion), Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Buddhists.....these will not see the Kingdom. They are lost. But people can be saved out of those faiths.

 

[just-want-peace]

---------What I am saying is that judgment as to whether they are saved or unsaved belongs to God alone. ---------

Perhaps you should clarify exactly what you mean by "saved"
Seems your comment -- "I am not saying that Jews and Muslims should avoid receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior" -- don't match what most Christians mean by the term.

 

[Humble Disciple]

3. Those who do not confess Christ will not be saved.

Since I am not God, I plead ignorance as to whether Jews and Muslims will be saved.

Romans 1:20 says that the attributes of God are clearly seen, so that those who reject God are without excuse. This is referring to the creation as a natural revelation, open to all people, rather than a specific revelation in the Bible.

I believe that I have good reasons for not practicing Judaism or Islam, but judgment belongs to God alone.

 

[Humble Disciple]

Ben Shapiro is the reason why I started reading the Bible, after hearing Torah lessons on his Friday show. Because of this, I am not going to pass judgment as to whether Jews and Muslims are saved, but instead I will leave it to God alone.

Romans 11:29
For God’s gifts and His call can never be withdrawn.

If you want to know why I am a Christian today, blame Ben Shapiro.

According to the ADL, Ben Shapiro was the most targeted victim of antisemitic hate during the 2016 election, from both the right and the left:
https://www.adl.org/sites/default/f...s-center/CR_4862_Journalism-Task-Force_v2.pdf

 

[Marooncat79]

I am not saying that Jews and Muslims should avoid receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

What I am saying is that judgment as to whether they are saved or unsaved belongs to God alone.

James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

If God's Spirit blows wherever He pleases, who are we to judge the salvation of others?

John 3:8
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.



Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse

Romans 1:20 says that the attributes of God are clearly seen, so that those who reject God are without excuse. This is referring to the creation as a natural revelation, open to all people, rather than a specific revelation in the Bible.

Abraham's faith in God was credited to him as righteousness, despite having no knowledge of doctrines like the Trinity.

Romans 4:9
Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness.

Again, The Apostles seemed clear when addressing this issue in the NT

 

[Marooncat79]

Ben Shapiro is the reason why I started reading the Bible, after hearing Torah lessons on his Friday show. Because of this, I am not going to pass judgment as to whether Jews and Muslims are saved, but instead I will leave it to God alone.

Romans 11:29
For God’s gifts and His call can never be withdrawn.

If you want to know why I am a Christian today, blame Ben Shapiro.

According to the ADL, Ben Shapiro was the most targeted victim of antisemitic hate during the 2016 election, from both the right and the left:
https://www.adl.org/sites/default/f...s-center/CR_4862_Journalism-Task-Force_v2.pdf

How long ago?

 

[Humble Disciple]

How long ago?

I was raised Christian but I didn't start reading the Bible regularly until six months ago. I read the entire New Testament in high school, but I didn't start reading the Old Testament from start to finish until six months ago. I'm now in my thirties.

 

[Humble Disciple]

Again, The Apostles seemed clear when addressing this issue in the NT

Are we reading the same Bible?

Abraham's faith in God was credited to him as righteousness, despite having no knowledge of doctrines like the Trinity.

Romans 4:9
Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness.

If God's Spirit blows wherever He pleases, who are we to judge the salvation of others?

John 3:8
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.

The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable, including our fellow children of Abraham.

Romans 11:29
For God’s gifts and His call can never be withdrawn.

Romans 1:20 says that the attributes of God are clearly seen, so that those who reject God are without excuse. This is referring to the creation as a natural revelation, open to all people, rather than a specific revelation in the Bible.

While Muslims might be ignorant as to Jesus' divinity and Jews might be ignorant as to Jesus' Messiahship, judgment as to whether they are saved or unsaved doesn't belong to us.

James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

According to the ADL, Ben Shapiro was the most targeted victim of antisemitic hate during the 2016 election, from both the right and the left:
https://www.adl.org/sites/default/f...s-center/CR_4862_Journalism-Task-Force_v2.pdf

Even Ben Shapiro's family was targeted with death threats.

 

[canadyjd]

I am not saying that Jews and Muslims should avoid receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

What I am saying is that judgment as to whether they are saved or unsaved belongs to God alone.

James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

If God's Spirit blows wherever He pleases, who are we to judge the salvation of others?

John 3:8
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.



Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse

Romans 1:20 says that the attributes of God are clearly seen, so that those who reject God are without excuse. This is referring to the creation as a natural revelation, open to all people, rather than a specific revelation in the Bible.

Abraham's faith in God was credited to him as righteousness, despite having no knowledge of doctrines like the Trinity.

Romans 4:9
Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness.

All those passages do not equal the loophole you are looking for.

Without Christ as Savior in this life, they are bound for hell in the next, no matter what their religious practice.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

Since I am not God, I plead ignorance as to whether Jews and Muslims will be saved.

Romans 1:20 says that the attributes of God are clearly seen, so that those who reject God are without excuse. This is referring to the creation as a natural revelation, open to all people, rather than a specific revelation in the Bible.

I believe that I have good reasons for not practicing Judaism or Islam, but judgment belongs to God alone.

You should not have to plead ignorance. You have a Bible. Read it. Believe it.