Are non-Baptists allowed to discuss Holy Scripture?

[Nazaroo]

Re: the moderator's post here:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1156189&postcount=46


Lets spell it out:

(1) If the moderator prefers that this bible study thread be in a bible study section, rather than a debate and discussion section, then its up to HIM to provide a bible study section that non-Baptists can post in.

Otherwise both his complaint and his suggestion have no operational meaning.


(2) To quote the moderator's latest remarkable statements:

It is not a place for you to post your Bible Study material. If every one here agrees that John 8:1-11 belongs in the Bible, there is nothing to debate and the thread may as well be closed. Enter into those topics in which you are interested in debating.

The Forum here is for general discussion and debate between Christians who may not be Baptists, and so are limited to this area.

Now look at the TOPIC of this thread, and the first 17 posts:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=45949

I did not and I am not posting a thread about the AUTHENTICITY or starting a debate about the AUTHORSHIP of John 8:1-11.

I started a thread on the INTERPRETATION of John 8:1-11. I don't expect that all Christians, even all Baptists, or even all Fundamentalists will agree on its INTERPRETATION. And that is what I want to discuss and if necessary debate.

The fact that a majority of Baptists accept the verses as part of the Bible is IRRELEVANT to the TOPIC of the THREAD.

To say "there is nothing to debate and the thread may as well be closed" is completely absurd.

The thread has only been open 24 hours and already has over 350 interested readers!
That's right: our thread on John 8:1-11 has more views than half the threads on the first page, and even more hits than 2 out of 5 'Stickys' for this forum!


To close this thread now is just a petty attack, and is not serving the needs of the Christian community here.


How are we to know whether anyone is interested in this passage if we don't open a thread on it?

How are we to know how the majority of Christians interpret the verses, if we don't ask them?

Are the rules of this board such that only Baptists may discuss the Bible?

That areas where non-Baptists may post are 'off-limits' for Bible discussion?

What are you afraid of? That two non-Baptists might discuss a passage of Holy Scripture and say something wise and intelligent about it? Something that a Baptist failed to notice?

Perhaps there is a danger that two Christians might enter into a discussion and learn something about the Bible without a Baptist 'priest' overseeing it.

What a scandal that would be.

It is surely remarkable that we have been posting in Christian forums for over five years on the gospel of John, several dozen of the largest Christian forums in the world, and have never had anyone close an active thread on the Holy Scriptures, ...EVER.

And this thread appears to have been closed simply because the 'moderator' was personally and erroneously 'offended'.


Peace,
Nazaroo

 

[annsni]

Who owns the board? Who writes the rules? Right - they do. They have every right to do what they feel is right for the board.

 

[annsni]

K - Just looked at the thread. You posted your own study or teaching (I assume it's yours - didn't go to the site SFIC posted because I don't need to) - it's not a discussion. On the board I help run, only the moderators can start studies and that thread would have not just been shut down but removed. And what is "we"? If you are more than one person posting, then that is most probably a violation of the rules here as it is on most boards because you are misrepresenting who you are....unless of course you have multiple personalities!

From what I saw, there were rules broken and it was rightly shut down.

 

[larryjf]

If the post broke board rules, those rules should have been declared to be the reason for its closing. Instead, the reason given was...

"for the sake of further needless argument on the subject this thread will be closed."

So, even though it was in the debate section, it was closed so that there would be no more debate...doesn't make much sense to me.


I don't know why it wouldn't be allowed to post a Bible study in the debate section if you expected some debate and interaction over the study material.

To tell you the truth, i'm suprised there wasn't more debate as to the authenticity of the passage. Many textual critics think it is a spurious text because it is not found in the earliest manuscripts. Other manuscripts that include the passage mark it to show their doubt that it is original. There is no Greek Church Father who quotes it until the 12th century. The vocab. and style are different from the rest of the Gospel in the Greek.

 

[Darron Steele]

Navaroo: if you have concerns about how the site is run, you can private message moderators, and as I found out recently, the site administrator is not non-approachable. A protest thread is not fitting.

As for your John 8 thread, rather than bury the thread in two e-pages of opening material, if you expected there to be something disagreed-over, why not specify it?

Now, for the most part, non-Baptist Christians can bring in disagreed-over religious tenets and debate them here. Non-Baptist non-Christians, for the most part, cannot present any of their views here.

Fortunately, I expect this thread will soon be deleted -- as it should be. Also, I suspect that if you do not want to see "banned" under your username, you best not repeat this tactic.

 

[larryjf]

So the thread was public, the closing of it was public, but the protest over the closing of it has to be private?

 

[Darron Steele]

When moderators close a thread, it has to be public, because the thread is public. It is not avoidable.

 

[annsni]

A debate is fine but attacks and just not addressing other's discussions is not a debate. Apparently, no one else has a viable thought unless it's to say "right on". After reading through Navaroo's posts, I do expect a ban if "they" continue posting as "they" do.

 

[larryjf]

When moderators close a thread, it has to be public, because the thread is public. It is not avoidable.

Closing it publicly is, of course, not avoidable. But they if they give the reason for the closing publicly instead of through PM, why not protest it publicly?

A moderator could just close it without posting anything to the public forum. But when they insist on having the last word in public it just doesn't seem fair to not have any public recourse.

 

[Frogman]

more often than not, life is unfair.

Nazaroo has re-opened the thread under the interpretation of John 8:1-11.

I responded to him as intelligently as I am able. Instead of taking notice of my response he begins a thread here attacking the decision of a moderator.

Now, this thread has been public for several views and replies, would it be wrong for me to close it publicly? Would it be wrong for me to give a public reason?

Feel free to continue the discussion regarding John 8:1-11. No baptist here has an interest in lording it over you.

The rules that have been est. will be followed, when necessary they will be updated.

What are you angry about? Are you afraid that Baptists do not care what or how others doubt and dispute the word of God? We are settled on its authenticity. You have been told that, if there is an interest in differing interpretations, present yours and let the discussion begin.:tonofbricks:

bro. Dallas:wavey:

 

[larryjf]

more often than not, life is unfair.

If you are justifying unfairness by pointing to unfairness in the world, i think that is a very unbiblical way of doing things. We are to seek to be fair and just in all things, regardless of what the world does.

Now, this thread has been public for several views and replies, would it be wrong for me to close it publicly? Would it be wrong for me to give a public reason?

If you post a public reason for closing, and don't let him respond, it would be unfair. If you close it and PM him the reason, then he would have no just reason for publicly disputing the decision.

The rules that have been est. will be followed, when necessary they will be updated.

I still don't think it has been stated which exact rule was broken...has it?

 

[Frogman]

posting rules

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bro. Dallas:wavey:

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[Pastor_Bob]

Now, for the most part, non-Baptist Christians can bring in disagreed-over religious tenets and debate them here. Non-Baptist non-Christians, for the most part, cannot present any of their views here.

Any member is free to post their doctrinal positions in this forum. What is disallowed is proselytizing. This is a Baptist board, and as such, expect any views contrary to traditional Baptist belief to be challenged. As long as the discussions remain within the parameters of the posting rules, they will be allowed to stand, regardless of the denominational affiliation.

 

[Darron Steele]

Any member is free to post their doctrinal positions in this forum. What is disallowed is proselytizing. This is a Baptist board, and as such, expect any views contrary to traditional Baptist belief to be challenged. As long as the discussions remain within the parameters of the posting rules, they will be allowed to stand, regardless of the denominational affiliation.

My apologies for misunderstanding.

 

[donnA]

Got to run so my comment is short, this board is privately owned, the mods and admins are here to make sure we all keep to the rules as stated on the BB you had to read and agree to to join here.

 

[DHK]

Re: the moderator's post here:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1156189&postcount=46


Lets spell it out:

(1) If the moderator prefers that this bible study thread be in a bible study section, rather than a debate and discussion section, then its up to HIM to provide a bible study section that non-Baptists can post in.

Otherwise both his complaint and his suggestion have no operational meaning.


(2) To quote the moderator's latest remarkable statements:



The Forum here is for general discussion and debate between Christians who may not be Baptists, and so are limited to this area.

Now look at the TOPIC of this thread, and the first 17 posts:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=45949

I did not and I am not posting a thread about the AUTHENTICITY or starting a debate about the AUTHORSHIP of John 8:1-11.

I started a thread on the INTERPRETATION of John 8:1-11. I don't expect that all Christians, even all Baptists, or even all Fundamentalists will agree on its INTERPRETATION. And that is what I want to discuss and if necessary debate.

The fact that a majority of Baptists accept the verses as part of the Bible is IRRELEVANT to the TOPIC of the THREAD.

To say "there is nothing to debate and the thread may as well be closed" is completely absurd.

The thread has only been open 24 hours and already has over 350 interested readers!
That's right: our thread on John 8:1-11 has more views than half the threads on the first page, and even more hits than 2 out of 5 'Stickys' for this forum!


To close this thread now is just a petty attack, and is not serving the needs of the Christian community here.


How are we to know whether anyone is interested in this passage if we don't open a thread on it?

How are we to know how the majority of Christians interpret the verses, if we don't ask them?

Are the rules of this board such that only Baptists may discuss the Bible?

That areas where non-Baptists may post are 'off-limits' for Bible discussion?

What are you afraid of? That two non-Baptists might discuss a passage of Holy Scripture and say something wise and intelligent about it? Something that a Baptist failed to notice?

Perhaps there is a danger that two Christians might enter into a discussion and learn something about the Bible without a Baptist 'priest' overseeing it.

What a scandal that would be.

It is surely remarkable that we have been posting in Christian forums for over five years on the gospel of John, several dozen of the largest Christian forums in the world, and have never had anyone close an active thread on the Holy Scriptures, ...EVER.

And this thread appears to have been closed simply because the 'moderator' was personally and erroneously 'offended'.


Peace,
Nazaroo

Nazaroo:
1. You have questioned my integrity in shutting down a former thread.
2. You have opened a thread with the OP on a link to that post that closed that thread.
3. Your OP is not valid as it is one full of complaints as to why such threds should not be closed, even though those reasons were already spelled out for you.
4. Realize this: The rules of BB are not up for debate.

Having said that, this thread is now closed.