Are the majority of those on the BB hostile to the IFB's?

I have found the moderators to be fair in their application of the rules.

Most of the times when folks complain, like you are here, they have violated a specific rule for which they are called on. They then open a thread to slam the mods.

If that is what you are doing, it isn't a good idea, and isn't going to pass muster with most of the folks here.

peace to youraying:

 

Chris, I sympathize with some of your concerns, but don't get a martyr complex. I've been shocked many times myself since coming to BB by the wideness in opinions here. But this is good for you. You and I need to learn how to articulate our positions in the face of opposition.

 

I know hardly anything about IFB beliefs, and unless/until I do I really have no opinion. One thing I have noticed, don't know if it is common or not, maybe just a few is that they tend toward legalism, but then I have a very good friend here who is is IFB and not legalistic.

 

I grew up and was trained by IFB churches and colleges, so I have a warm spot in my heart for the IFB. I am no longer in the IFB. But I look back at some of the old time IFB-ers and wish their statesmanship, scholarship and standards were still around.
Sometimes I think they have been morphed from a church-planting, soul winning persona to a king james only, 2nd degree separationist group. And no others dare apply.

 

Well, since you asked....I grew up IFB dysfunctional.... and maybe some of my beliefs are reactionary against the unbiblical rules that are made up by a lot (but not all) of IFBs...

Another commonality that I have observed is the habit of painting with a broad brush... Just look at the OP... To say that all secular music is sinful is too broad... not to mention there is no biblical basis.

Sin should be stood against... but make sure what you are against is actually sin, and not cultural bias, personal opinion, or just something that an emotional preacher preached against.

Another thing I have observed is the "I'm right all others are wrong" attitude... just look at some of the posts around this board. Some IFBs come here guns ablazing trying to "straighten" all us non-IFBs out.

That is the sin of pride.

Now there are a few IFBs here that are not like this, as there are a few in the real world that are not like this. But from where I came from, if you were not KJVO, didn't stand against CCM, didn't made your woman wear dresses, and would let your woman cut her hair, you were considered a liberal.
That's why I am not a IFB... I believe in the fundamentals, but the neo-fundamentalists today have added to "the fundamentals" rules and regulations that are not found in the Bible.... and in my opinion, that is so they can feel more holier than the rest of us...Pride.

Which leads me to this question: How can a person call themselves fundamental if they add to the Bible?

 

One thing you'll see here is that there are all different kinds of Baptists here, and the mods are fair. I myself have been banned from some boards because I dared to ask a question the mods didn't want to answer.

There are other, more liberal boards than this one too. I think BB is pretty fair and stays away from the extremes.

 

Let me see - both moderators of this particular forum are IFBs.

I don't feel animosity toward me unless I ask for it, and it never has to do with the fact that I am IFB.

 

You should hear what some IBF’rs say about Southern Baptists.

And of course to some on this board there are those who seem to be overboard on separation.

Does John Denver fall into that category? Lionel Richie? The Bee Gees? See the problem?

Perhaps it can be shown in scripture where listening to a song like “Little Jeannie” is a sin.

I think the moderators on this Board have been very fair, with one exception. But he is no longer a moderator on the Fundamental Forum.

 

Where in the Bible it's wrong to listen to music (something made to use in the worship of God) that doesn't glorify God?

1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.


Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

 

What is legalism?

What is your particular definition of legalism? Unfortunately, this is an emotionally laden word that usually means someone whose standards in a particular area are more restrictive than my own. :smilewinkgrin:

Critics of IFB's typically label them as legalists if the IFB's hold to a strongly conservative music standards (i.e. hymns and gospel songs). On the other hand, the same critics would agree that Gangster Rap is hardly glorifying to God and appropiate for church worship services. Both the IFB's and their critics have some standard of acceptable and unacceptable. Therefore, the IFB'er is no more a legalist, because he holds a conservative standard, than his critic who has a much broader standard. It is just a question of where you set the standard. Calling the IFB'ers legalists is so much hogwash and foolishness. There's a lot of fuzzy thinking, or perhaps lack of thinking, when it comes to legalism.

 

My preacher makes a great statement about standards and morals and "legalism". He says, "Grace asks much more than the law requires."
In regards to the music, in my mind I don't think that Paul was playing the electric guitar or drums while singing praises to God in the Phillipian jail...

 

No, Paul didn't use an electric guitar, obviously. But I wondered what David would have sounded like if he used one.

Well one thing for certain, God really ROCKED that jail that night!
Maybe that's where Elvis got "Jailhouse Rock"
BOO HIsss... That was bad even for me!!!!!

 

Getting back on track...

I am IFB and have been a member of the BB for a while now and personally never have felt hostility. Of course there are some folks who go looking for trouble and always find it, whether they be IFB, SBC, XYZ, or 123.

 

It becomes legalism when the preacher stands at the pulpit and tells you which music is sinful and which is not. Niether of your examples is "legalism" they are personal convictions. However when you do, as Jack Hyles and many other IFB'rs do, stand in the pulpit and take your personal conviction and force it onto others you become a legalist. The same goes for KJVO, co-operation with other believers who are not Baptist, alien immersion, etc......This is why some people are hostile to some IFB churches.

 

So it's wrong to tell someone it's a sin to listen to Elton John, in your opinion?

 

Yes.

I have no problem you telling someone in your opinion it is a sin. Let the Holy Spirit convict, not preachers from the pulpit.

 

That would be a lessor sin.

The greater sin would be in listening to him.