Are we living under the New Covenant??

yes

peace to youraying:

 

Romans 11 especially v.25-26.

peace to youraying:

 

There appears to be a cause and effect at work here. "When" that occurs, I don't know. Israel is "blinded" to the truth about Messiah Jesus. When the fulness of the Gentiles occurs, that blindness will be lifted and all Israel will be saved.

The question of many is how does the salvation of Israel occur? Some maintain the Old Covenant will still be in place for Israel. I do not believe that. I believe there will be a widespread acceptance of Jesus as Messiah among the Jewish people. They will be saved just like the Gentiles are.

I believe the "all Israel will be saved" refers to joining of both groups (Jews and Gentiles) into one "Israel" (one who strives with God) under the new covenant of grace.

peace to youraying:

 

1. Certainly! Paul says that we have been made competent ministers of the New Covenant.

2. But is every aspect of the NC realized? Not at all!

 

Interesting statement, can you expound a bit?


Also, I'm not arguing against your point because I believe God promised a Messiah, He sent His Son the Messiah and as you quoted, some who he came to save received him not. Hebrews 11 makes an interesting twist. We see some saved having never received the actual Messiah, strictly because of their faith. Their faith was counted as righteousness. Was this exception only possible before the coming of Christ?

 

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.​

While Israel was restored as a nation in 1947 the city of Jerusalem is still "trodden down" in that (to the chagrin of every religious practitioner of Talmudic Judaism) the Temple site is has no Temple - the heart of Biblical Judaism - standing with sacrifices being made daily, neither can it be built for several reasons.

As far as religious Jews are concerned Arabs and/or Moslems are gentiles ("a goy is a goy", as one of them told me).

Temple-less Jerusalem is an agonizing fact that religious Jews face daily.

What then did Jesus mean and why did He single out Jerusalem if not because of the destruction of the Temple?

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.​

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.​

As for the New Covenant, yes we have entered into it. It was offered to the Jew first, refused at the first and therefore offered to the gentiles who received it. ​

When the fulness of the gentiles is complete, then the blindness of Israel will be lifted and Israel as a nation will endter into the New Covenant.​

We don't know when...

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?​

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

But it will happen​

Zechariah 12

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.​

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.​

Jeremaiah 33

7 And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.
8 And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.
9 And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.

HankD​

 

Well Brother Bob all that has been proven is that it's a matter of interpretation and which verses one wants to use to "spiritualize" those passages which I cited.

HankD

 

I believe the covenant is being fulfilled with Israel. As Jesus sat amongst Jews (soon to be Christians) observing the Jewish Passover feast;

Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mk 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

Lk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

What I am unsure of is if the complete promise and new covenant have completely come to light? I preface that as I approach Rom 11:39 …since God’s gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable.

This tells me that what God promised Israel will never be withdrawn by God. God is not an “Indian” giver and will not take back any covenant he has made with Israel. We are all “banking” if you will on God’s faithfulness to keep his promises. This only speaks for God when a covenant is clearly a two way agreement, my question is what if we reject the fulfillment of God’s promise? Is He still obligated to keep fulfilling the promise in different ways until Israel finds one to their likings?

So God’s promise is irrevocable (Rom 11:29) yet Israel rejects the fulfillment. I don’t think the Church has replaced Israel but I do think we need to pray Israel comes to a saving knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who was sent as the fulfillment of many promises God made with their forefathers. So the question of this thread, does God has another card up His sleeve for Israel? Now that question falls to the mysteries of the ages.

Jer 31:33 (KJV) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

1. Yes, the NC was with Israel according to Jer 31, but I believe the Gentiles were included as beneficiaries, because the blood of the NC was for all mankind, so that is why God is taking a people from among the Gentiles (Acts 15:14).

2. But I believe that the fullness of the NC will be realized in the MK.

3. According to the witness of Scripture only individual Israelites are being saved.

4. But Scripture says that God, after taking a people from among the Gentiles, He's going to turn to the Israelites as a whole (Acts 15:14ff; Rom 11:25-32). A temporary is now on Israel according to Paul until the fullness of the Gentiles. How else should we understand those Scriptures?

5. When the fullness of the Gentiles comes in God will remove the partial hardening and Israel will believe and be saved. This is the witness of Scripture.

 

According to both Acts 15:14-18 and Romans 11:25-32, God's gifts and calling are irrevocable, and in respect to Israel, God is going to raise up the Davidic Throne and Rebuild the ruins--this to me points to the millennial kingdom, because both the fullness of the Gentiles and the fact that Israel have not been restore have not been fulfilled.