Asking for book titles.

[humblethinker]

Partial Preterists, give me your best book title for a futurist to understand the PP view

Full Preterists, same request.

Hyper Preterists, if that is different from full, same thing.

I have many books in my library, some of which I don't agree with at all, but I like to educate myself. I am a dyed in the wool futurist, so I will not change imo, but at least I can understand where y'all are coming from and we can have a more civil dialogue and I can at least respect your view and vice-versa. It has been said that we are wary of what we don't understand, and I guess that is true to a certain extent. So any suggestions would be appreciated. I have to admit, before I came to this site, I knew about the view, but have never really understood the roots and what we may have in common. It seems to me that most Preterists are Calvinists, but don't quote me on that.

Bronconagurski, I just bought a book you might find interesting. See this thread. I welcome your input.

 

[Bronconagurski]

Bronconagurski, I just bought a book you might find interesting. See this thread. I welcome your input.

Aight, I'll take a look see.

 

[Yeshua1]

Hello Tom,
The confessions point to scripture as the only rule of faith and practice. The confessions give a mainline view of the believing church.

Well...i do not think I made that leap. I asked you as time permits to show how most all of the church have not gone on to a full preterist position.
When I mention the confessions...it was only to say that I am not aware of a full preterist confession of faith.
The position starts out okay...but runs out of gas in that the nature of the coming in the clouds...gets pressed more than what scripture would indicate.



The judgement was ......the sign of the Son of Man...In Heaven....I do not see a bodily return here???






I do not see how it addresses this statement;
There is a
1]going

2]A...coming again

3]a place...where I am

4] there we will be also....after a coming again

Many who understand the time texts also see a second coming clearly taught...besides the coming in judgement of 70 ad. The White throne judgement, and Jn 5 last day are still future.




22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.

With Ot Israel as the theocracy being shaken...{70ad} verse 28-29 indicate we receiving a Kingdom serve with Godly fear...for our God is a consuming fire...there is still judgement beyond the shaking of israel in 70 ad, that is yet to come.[/QUOTE]

Would you agree with me that IF one holds to full pretierist position, that is outside orthodoxy, for the Church ALWAYS held to a literall Second Coming of Jesus?

 

[evangelist6589]

This is the one that changed me from Dispie to preterist:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0915815354/?tag=baptis04-20

For a full preterist view this is a good one:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0938855263/?tag=baptis04-20


Here is another excellent work:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0915815907/?tag=baptis04-20

Start with DeMar's "Last Days Madness", you might find your mind changing.

We shall see whom will be right. If Israel gets bombed perhaps this will tell me that the Dispensationalist position was incorrect.

 

[AresMan]

We shall see whom will be right. If Israel gets bombed perhaps this will tell me that the Dispensationalist position was incorrect.

Is there not room for a position that does not believe that national Israel is a modern covenant people of God but yet that God has promised that there will always be physical Jews alive?

Also, if I may, even if the modern state of Israel were destroyed, that does not even disprove the dispensational concept. God punished Old Covenant Israel quite a few times and had them removed from the land in captivity. Why, logically speaking, could that not happen again? Are there not more Jews even in NYC than in Palestine?

 

[Yeshua1]

Is there not room for a position that does not believe that national Israel is a modern covenant people of God but yet that God has promised that there will always be physical Jews alive?

Also, if I may, even if the modern state of Israel were destroyed, that does not even disprove the dispensational concept. God punished Old Covenant Israel quite a few times and had them removed from the land in captivity. Why, logically speaking, could that not happen again? Are there not more Jews even in NYC than in Palestine?

How about the jewish people have NO Covenant with God apart from the new covenat by Jesus, but that God will always be saving out a faithful remnant in every generation, but the last living genertion of jews will be the Ones tomsee national isreal reborn as a nation when Jesus returns?