Asleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.

Asleep... dead in Christ... Why, they must be Baptists!

Seriously, these are believers who have died.

 

Body "asleep" or to put it the way our Lord had to put it to the disciples at the tomb of Lazarus, "He is Dead!"

Soul, in the presence of God. And you are right, how could he bring them with Him unless they are where He is?

The Spirit is the life of the soul
The soul is the life of the body.

In order for our body to raise, we must have our soul present.
In order for our body and soul to go to heaven, the spirit must be made alive through Christ.

 

Soul sleep - Seventh Day Adventist hold to this view.

Although they hold - The soul stays in the body till Jesus comes (to wake it up/resurrect it)

I have only barely glossed this thread - so my comment is an uninformed one as to any dialog going on

I just thought I would add the cultic opinion concerning the soul being asleep.

Wow, I need to just shut up (ramble, ramble, ramble :wavey: ) Ok, I think I will now.

 

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

 

I don't think one would go all the way to heaven to get some sleep...

 

Bob,
I think it is an expression that is dealing with our total wholeness.

Explaintion:
1. We are a tri-une being (in the likeness of God)
2. If our spirit and soul is seperate from our body
------a. Therefore, we are not whole (one part is asleep [dead] -body) and one part alive in Christ

So when speaking of us in context of being with God (spirit) we are alive and with Him.
But in speaking of us with regard to total salvation (renewed body and spirit) we are asleep because in the physical aspect we are not yet alive and renewing completed.

 

I don't believe those under the altar are any of the church, but those who become believers during the tribulation and are persecuted (and beheaded).

The soul and spirit, I find in scripture both are used interchangably by scriptures authors as well as distinct but apparenty inseperable, as noted in Hebrews 4:12:

Each of these are seperate and distinct items (for lack of better wording) and yet they are melded so intimately that we do not know where one begins and the ends. - they are useless by themselves yet we see that together, one animates the other and the other is the definer of what the one does. (That may be reading a little more into it - but I'm open to suggestions)

With due regard to His Rest:
The ENTIRE chapter 4 of Hebrews speaks of what it is and is for.

Rest is not sleep.

 

I forgot one Bro. Bob:

Well, I what 2 people weren't doing (sleeping that is)

It appears those who have entered into that rest was talking with Jesus. Although they may have been asking for a lul-a-by but... :laugh: :laugh:

Anyhoo, the argument could be made that Elijah did not die and therefore has not yet attained, but Moses IS dead and therefore has attained the rest afore mentioned in my previous posting.

 

I think Allan has hit the nail on the head... and although I could not articulate it the way he did, that is exactly what I believe concerning "asleep"

As for rest, I think it is in relation to the struggles we go through here.
It will be soooooo nice when I finally get to Heaven...

So peaceful, and restful....no problems.... just, well, Heavenly!

I really don't care what I do. Just being with Christ is enough, and if He wants to put me to sleep for awhile....GREAT!! I love to sleep.

As a matter of fact, it is raining here, and I would love to just craw back into the bed and go back to sleep...:sleeping_2:

 

Great discussion everyone! Very thought provoking...

Peace and God Bless. :thumbsup:

 

I think that would be good... afterall, we can't say for certain what we will be doing in Heaven...I don't think our small minds now can even comprehend what is in store for us.