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==As if we needed more evidence to show that you don't understand Calvinism...:laugh:

 

I don't see anything anti calvinist in it. I agree with Martin, I don't think you fully understand calvinism.

 

I don't mind teaching that song to my children and grandchildren, and them passing it on.

Having said that, I am reminded of a church that a good friend of mine of the Reformed Baptist/New Covenant side told me about.

This church, also Reformed Baptist, excludes all children of their members from any of the services, and has set aside a nursery/playground with watchers for them.

The rationale is that since these children, at that point, have not given evidence of conversion, then they are pagans.

A little too extreme, don't you think ?

But, could there be some grain of truth there also ?

What do you think ?

 

no kidding!

Utterly senseless and not worth responding to!

 

Yawn. Been there. Done that. Got the T-Shirt.

 

Absolutely.

 

Hi Martin;

I thought this was an interesting statement. As if the understanding of Calvinism somehow makes one special. The reason Calvinism isn't understandable is because it isn't scriptural. It just doesn't line up with scripture at all.
MB

 

In your opinion.
Either way it is no excuse to misrepresent what other people believe, to make claims Calvinists aren't saved, which we've seen over and over again.

 

Hello Pinoybaptist - I'm curious, what does "New Covenant side" mean? I've never heard that terminology.

It seems extreme to me to separate the kids like that. I'm assuming that that church believes that the gospel is only for those that show some evidence of being drawn?

 

It would make a difference who was singing it...no? Can a reprobate child sing it?

 

Hi Donna;

Maybe this wasn't meant for me I don't know because it wasn't addressed. The basic doctrine of Christ isn't Calvinism. Hopefully we all believe that Christ is the Son of God. No matter how one arrives at this belief. If this belief is true then you are saved. The Bible plainly says so. It doesn't say you have to be completely correct on the process as long as the result is the same. It doesn't say you have to have perfect understanding either as long as you believe in Him. There are many Calvinist on this message board that I believe really are saved even though we might disagree on the process. Scripture says;
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
If you believe and have confessed it. You're saved! The particulars of the process isn't what saves us except for belief and confession
MB

 

MB:

Then you don't know what Christ taught. I'm not saying that He is a Calvinist or that His basic doctrine is Calvinism.
But Christ did teach that there are certain people whom He refers to as The Elect.
Christ taught this.
Paul taught this.
Peter wrote about them.

 

==Actually there are many people who "understand" the teachings of Calvinism. Clearly you are not one of them otherwise you would not have said that it "isn't understandable". I believe Calvinism lines up better with Scripture than any other system I have seen.

 

I think most of the problem with calvinism is people not understanding it. And that includes its practitioners as well as its detractors.

 

Hi Pinoybaptist;

If this is true then you should prove it with scripture.
MB

 

right you are...100%

 

If you would be so kind to point to the reprobate child I will answer. As far as I know only God knows who they are...unless you to say you do. Then that would make two that know.

yet another strawman

 

MB quote
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Hopefully we all believe that Christ is the Son of God. No matter how one arrives at this belief. If this belief is true then you are saved. The Bible plainly says so. It doesn't say you have to be completely correct on the process as long as the result is the same. It doesn't say you have to have perfect understanding either as long as you believe in Him. There are many Calvinist on this message board that I believe really are saved even though we might disagree on the process. Scripture says;
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
If you believe and have confessed it. You're saved! The particulars of the process isn't what saves us except for belief and confession
MB

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Amen.

 

You mean to tell me that there has NEVER been a child that sang that song who died without Christ? Hardly a strawman...