Baptist distinctives and other denominations

[Michael Wrenn]

Michael,

Biblicist is trying to give you correction, when he is just as bad as or worse than Steadfast Fred. Biblicist always resorts to calling me names, he is also allowed to get away with it. If I defend myself, or repeat what he says to show how bad it is, others come on to publicly attack me and distort the truth, while I get infractions and warnings.

I know. I have had my run-ins with Biblicist in the past. It had tapered off lately, until today.

I'll stand back-to-back with you. At least that way, we can see the knives coming at us.

What has happened to Heavenly Pilgrim? He and I disagree strongly about sanctification, but we could discuss things like Christian brothers.

 

[Moriah]

I know. I have had my run-ins with Biblicist in the past. It had tapered off lately, until today.

I'll stand back-to-back with you. At least that way, we can see the knives coming at us.

Right on, brother.

 

[The Biblicist]

I know. I have had my run-ins with Biblicist in the past. It had tapered off lately, until today.

I'll stand back-to-back with you. At least that way, we can see the knives coming at us.

I have never hid, nor apologized for condemning both you and Moriah for embracing and teaching a false gospel and never will as that is the truth FROM MY PERSPECTIVE and that is the only perspective I can provide.

The Scriptures have terms for those who pervert the gospel and other orthodox essentials of the faith and to apply those terms to those who wear those shoes is scriptural regardless if the person wearing those shoes believes they are guilty or not. Obivously a heretic does not veiw himself as a heretic.

I think we have discussed these things for a long period of time and it only proves to be more futile as we progress in the debates.

 

[WestminsterMan]

I agree, but I have seen that it ain't gonna happen with Fred, so I will not even attempt it any longer. I held out an olive branch; he refused and continued as he was before. That puts an end to any chance of reasonable, civil debate.

I am presently teaching an online college class in Philosophy (Logic). Maybe I should direct my students here as an example of how not to debate.

Good thought!

WM

 

[Moriah]

I have never hid, nor apologized for condemning both you and Moriah for embracing and teaching a false gospel and never will as that is the truth FROM MY PERSPECTIVE and that is the only perspective I can provide.

The Scriptures have terms for those who pervert the gospel and other orthodox essentials of the faith and to apply those terms to those who wear those shoes is scriptural regardless if the person wearing those shoes believes they are guilty or not. Obivously a heretic does not veiw himself as a heretic.

I think we have discussed these things for a long period of time and it only proves to be more futile as we progress in the debates.

You are guilty of everything you falsely accuse me of doing and being.

 

[DHK]

You are guilty of everything you falsely accuse me of doing and being.

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Please, all of you, drop these accusations of "whilst accusing one another, their conscience all the while bearing witness of the truth," and start posting back to the OP. In case you have forgotten the title of this thread is:

Baptist distinctives and other denomination

 

[Moriah]

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Please, all of you, drop these accusations of "whilst accusing one another, their conscience all the while bearing witness of the truth," and start posting back to the OP. In case you have forgotten the title of this thread is:

Baptist distinctives and other denomination

You see, I defend myself to Biblicist saying I pervert the truth, etc., and DHK comes on quoting and reprimanding me while Biblicist is left undaunted.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

DHK's reprimand was to all.

 

[Moriah]

DHK's reprimand was to all.

DHK quoted me defending myself from being called pervert, then gave a reprimand. That is not right in any stretch of the imagination.

Let DHK quote Biblicist and give his so-called well-meaning Bible quote.


I am not fooled in the slightest.

I have stated my case, now I am done with this and moving on.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Please, all of you, drop these accusations of "whilst accusing one another, their conscience all the while bearing witness of the truth," and start posting back to the OP.

All means ALL, not one, not some.

 

[The Biblicist]

DHK quoted me defending myself from being called pervert, then gave a reprimand. That is not right in any stretch of the imagination.

Let DHK quote Biblicist and give his so-called well-meaning Bible quote.


I am not fooled in the slightest.

I have stated my case, now I am done with this and moving on.

Nobody called you a "pervert"! It is one thing to charge a person with "perverting" the word of God and another thing to call a person a "pervert." The former refers to an action that may be totally unrelated to his personal character while the latter refers to his personal character.

There are Baptist distinctives and one is justification by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone without works in regard to the past tense completed action of "saved."

However, the present tense incompleted action of "save" or "being saved" and the yet future tense completed action "shall be saved" refer to complete different aspects of salvation.

 

[Moriah]

All means ALL, not one, not some.

He quoted me defending myself! What do you not get? Now stop it and move on.

P.S. DHK will come on and tell me not to tell others when to stop it. Then he will give me an infraction for being rude. This is routine with him.

 

[Moriah]

Nobody called you a "pervert"! It is one thing to charge a person with "perverting" the word of God and another thing to call a person a "pervert." The former refers to an action that may be totally unrelated to his personal character while the latter refers to his personal character.

There are Baptist distinctives and one is justification by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone without works in regard to the past tense completed action of "saved."

However, the present tense incompleted action of "save" or "being saved" and the yet future tense completed action "shall be saved" refer to complete different aspects of salvation.

Just stop it. You call me a pervert. You want us to believe the word with an 'ing' changes anything! You want us to believe perverting the truth is no big deal! You are a foul mouthed man who uses that word way too much.


per·vert (pr-vûrt)
tr.v. per·vert·ed, per·vert·ing, per·verts
1. To cause to turn away from what is right, proper, or good; corrupt.
2. To bring to a bad or worse condition; debase.
3. To put to a wrong or improper use; misuse. See Synonyms at corrupt.
4. To interpret incorrectly; misconstrue or distort: an analysis that perverts the meaning of the poem.

 

[The Biblicist]

Just stop it. You call me a pervert. You want us to believe the word with an 'ing' changes anything! You want us to believe perverting the truth is no big deal! You are a foul mouthed man who uses that word way too much.


per·vert (pr-vûrt)
tr.v. per·vert·ed, per·vert·ing, per·verts
1. To cause to turn away from what is right, proper, or good; corrupt.
2. To bring to a bad or worse condition; debase.
3. To put to a wrong or improper use; misuse. See Synonyms at corrupt.
4. To interpret incorrectly; misconstrue or distort: an analysis that perverts the meaning of the poem.

Alright! Believe what you prefer to believe but let us get back to the OP

 

[DHK]

You see, I defend myself to Biblicist saying I pervert the truth, etc., and DHK comes on quoting and reprimanding me while Biblicist is left undaunted.

If you would like a reprimand with an added infraction carry on without regard to the OP, and I will give you one. The directive posted was to all, not just to you. Take the advice given and post to the OP, not this attitude of complaining and accusatory language.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

In what other denominations, if any, could one find the following Baptist distinctives: Soul freedom, Bible freedom, church freedom, believer's baptism by immersion, symbolism of the ordinances, lay-administered ordinances allowed for, priesthood of THE believer. I know there are denominations that have one or more of these, but I don't know of any that have them all -- except ours, the CAC.

But I mean large, long-established denominations.

I don't know. I'll venture a guess maybe the Christian Alliance Missionary Church? Just a guess.

 

[BillySunday1935]

What is that snide remark supposed to mean. The Great Commission was originally left in the hands of eleven men. What did they do? They went and started church, which in turn went and started churches. There were no denominations. The apostle Paul went on three missionary journeys and established over 100 churches. I have been directly involved in missions for most of my Christian life now, directly involved in carrying out the Great Commission, going to nations with the gospel, nations that most people would shrink from. You have no idea what our church does for missions and how much it is involved in carrying out the Great Commission. Excuse me before you respond. I don't want to watch you take both feet out of your mouth. It could be ugly.

It's nice to see that you are up to the same old stuff there DHK.

BS

 

[DHK]

I don't know. I'll venture a guess maybe the Christian Alliance Missionary Church? Just a guess.

I think you are right. The Plymouth Brethren may also adhere to those same principles.