Being Released from the Military

[Dragoon68]

More Hasan Ties to People Under Investigation by FBI

"... The Washington Post reported Tuesday that Hasan gave a PowerPoint presentation to fellow Army doctors in 2007 in which he said, "It's getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims." He recommended that Muslim soldiers be given the option of being released from the military as conscientious objectors to decrease what he called "adverse events." Under "comments," he wrote, "We love death more than you love life."..."

I think this is one thing - "being released from the military" - that Hasan might have been correct about! It could have been a really good thing. What kind of officers do such men make? How can they effectively lead others in battle? How can they be loyal to America? How can they be trusted?

It could also be a good thing if we'd start seeing Islam for what it really is - that is an evil belief system that stands against the Lord Jesus Christ and a great threat to the security of America - instead of pandering to it in the name of diversity and excusing it while Islam, as a whole, continues to grow and spread its evil influence across our land. I don't think this is what the founders had in mind in their quest for religious liberty.

 

[abcgrad94]

It's not like muslims are being drafted into the US military. They sign up of their own free will, right? Maybe they should NOT sign up if they are "conscientious objectors."

 

[Twizzler]

It's not like muslims are being drafted into the US military. They sign up of their own free will, right? Maybe they should NOT sign up if they are "conscientious objectors."

That just makes too much sense, abcgrad.

 

[carpro]

It's not like muslims are being drafted into the US military. They sign up of their own free will, right? Maybe they should NOT sign up if they are "conscientious objectors."

They should be disarmed and do mess duty , drive a truck, or put in graves registration, or some such, until they have served their full tour. Release would not be an option.

Typically, American CO's are assigned to the medical corps. I don't think I would trust muslim COs in that capacity.

 

[abcgrad94]

They should be disarmed and do mess duty , drive a truck, or put in graves registration, or some such, until they have served their full tour. Release would not be an option.

Typically, American CO's are assigned to the medical corps. I don't think I would trust muslim COs in that capacity.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, carpro. If they cannot be discharged until their time is up, they need to be disarmed and serve where they will do the least amount of damage. Sadly, if they want to kill non-muslims, they will find a way to do it no matter where they are.

 

[windcatcher]

I think this is just another excuse.

Hasan was a major, a psychaitrist: He would have been working in a military or a military supported civilian medical facility.

I think his act may be used to defend various backsets to our military and our rights. What isn't being said but should stand out like a red light....... Where was the armed military? The military wasn't armed because Ft Hood has a policy of being a no-armed zone except for the range. The military are not supposed to own personal weapons unless they are properly registered and kept off base. This means that the soldiers who are armed to fight for our nation, are trained in a literal sitting duck zone to any one who gets in with Hasan's intention and plan. Civilain roads pass through the base which gave the local police access to take down the shooter, without which response, more carnage might have happened before the military could respond to defend their own.

If this had happened in Iraq or Afganhistan, I seriously doubt that he would have been identifies as part of our military. OTOH, it is unlikely he would have had the guarantee of access to any serious weapon beyond an issued side arm, if deploye in the capacity of his duties in the medical setting.

 

[just-want-peace]

I think this is just another excuse.

Hasan was a major, a psychaitrist: He would have been working in a military or a military supported civilian medical facility.

I think his act may be used to defend various backsets to our military and our rights. What isn't being said but should stand out like a red light....... Where was the armed military? The military wasn't armed because Ft Hood has a policy of being a no-armed zone except for the range. The military are not supposed to own personal weapons unless they are properly registered and kept off base. This means that the soldiers who are armed to fight for our nation, are trained in a literal sitting duck zone to any one who gets in with Hasan's intention and plan. Civilain roads pass through the base which gave the local police access to take down the shooter, without which response, more carnage might have happened before the military could respond to defend their own.

If this had happened in Iraq or Afganhistan, I seriously doubt that he would have been identifies as part of our military. OTOH, it is unlikely he would have had the guarantee of access to any serious weapon beyond an issued side arm, if deploye in the capacity of his duties in the medical setting.

Folks, you are seeing PCism at it's finest!

If the liberals succeed in squashing the Muslim infection in this case, look for more of the same down the road.

LIBERALISM IS A FATAL DISEASE!!!!

 

[Dragoon68]

... Civilain roads pass through the base which gave the local police access to take down the shooter, without which response, more carnage might have happened before the military could respond to defend their own. ...

The military has law enforcement responsibility for Ft. Hood. The Army uses both Military Police and Dept. of Defense "civilian" police and civilian security guards to accomplish this mission. They are an armed police force serving a very large community but cannot be at all places at all times. They perform patrol and investigation work under the supervision of the base Provost Marshal and the Directorate of Emergency Services and, in turn, the Commanding Officer of III Corps & Ft. Hood. Because so many of our Military Police soldiers are deployed to carry out their war fighting tactical duties in Iraq and Afghanistan it has become even more important to augment this and other base law enforcement mission with DoD civilian police.

The civilian police officers that took down Major Hasan are members of that team and were already on the base. Hats off to them for doing their duty and responding so effectively! In addition, the military has agreements with local law enforcement agencies for mutual aide and, often, some degree of concurrent jurisdiction. Many local agencies responded to the call for assistance. Hats off to them as well!

The Army military police Criminal Investigation Command takes charge of all major criminal investigations that come under the Army's jurisdiction such as these murders on the base. They are a separate command reporting to the Army Provost Marshal General and are staffed with military police Special Agents. They work closely with other federal and state criminal investigation agencies. Both the FBI and the Texas Rangers are working with them on this case.

Most law enforcement work is in response to crimes after the fact. Prevention and first response often falls to whomever is around to intercede. That's the case for an armed society capable of defending itself and restraining offenders until law enforcement arrives. It's fortunate when they're close at hand but most of us don't have a police officer in our back pocket.

The military is very strict about access to weapons on base because the purpose of those weapons is war fighting and not personal defense. It may become prudent to increase the number of armed security guards if we don't want to deal with the politically incorrect issues of more carefully screening who serves in our military.
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[Revmitchell]

If I remember correctly officers can resign their commission any time the please.

 

[Tom Bryant]

Guys, think this one through. If we say that muslims who are American citizens ought to be limited in where they serve or not allow them into the military, we are simply setting the stage for Christians to be disallowed.

Take the situation on a case by case decision. If they are like this terrorist who gave plenty of evidence of his beliefs, he ought to be removed from the military. But we do it because of his actions, not just his beliefs.

 

[Dragoon68]

There IS a problem with Islam and it presents a serious threat to America. How do we safeguard our freedom of religion and yet also safeguard our nation including its freedom of religion. Islam proposes to destroy America and Christianity by violence. That cannot be allowed to hide nor thrive behind freedom of religion.

 

[windcatcher]

There IS a problem with Islam and it presents a serious threat to America. How do we safeguard our freedom of religion and yet also safeguard our nation including its freedom of religion. Islam proposes to destroy America and Christianity by violence. That cannot be allowed to hide nor thrive behind freedom of religion.

Simply by requiring all persons, without regard or respect for religious differences, to follow the basic law..... thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not bear false witness, etc. ....... and prosecute those who do to the fullest extent of the law.....

While denial that islam is a religion of hatered and self-destruction, a scourge upon its own people and those who are outside its domains, does nothing to change it from being what it is..... it gains more power from the fear inspired by the recognition and attention it draws in its attrocities when these are so lauded as though a success based or excused (made acceptible by its religious instruction) instead of being soundly and publicly rebuked and condemned as an anathema to its people and a scourge and tyranny interpretation of its teachings. More boldness and honesty in bringing it to the light and judicial and public response against such teachings is what it and the world needs to see. Those who wish to identify with it might be able to produce a more congenial practice and doctrine in light of reason and truth, if they could see these acts as heinieous and terrible and against themselves and their god as well as against man.

 

[Dragoon68]

I say we denounce Islam as nothing more than an excuse for terrorism and having nothing at all to do with the free worship of God Almighty.

 

[Nonsequitur]

I say we denounce Islam as nothing more than an excuse for terrorism and having nothing at all to do with the free worship of God Almighty.

Well,of course it has nothing to do with God Almighty.
It's a false everything.

 

[windcatcher]

Denoucning islam as a false religion and a differnent god on a baptist board most probably does nothing to bring one muslim to faith in the real God. But plainly portraying the deceitfulness and contradictions within their beliefs and identifying the destruction which their religion brings to them and motivates them to kill and destroy each other and to murder mankind, whom even they acknowledge God made, may help them to question their error and seek the truth.

 

[Nonsequitur]

Denoucning islam as a false religion and a differnent god on a baptist board most probably does nothing to bring one muslim to faith in the real God. But plainly portraying the deceitfulness and contradictions within their beliefs and identifying the destruction which their religion brings to them and motivates them to kill and destroy each other and to murder mankind, whom even they acknowledge God made, may help them to question their error and seek the truth.

No kidding? Really?
Seems to me the other day someone was asking how we are supposed to tell the muslims the folly of their ways. Maybe a first step is telling them on a Baptist web-site.
But on the other hand , you wrote some beautiful PC words.
The Truth is, not all roads lead to God.
Jesus is the only way.
Sometimes....the Truth hurts.

 

[windcatcher]

No kidding? Really?
Seems to me the other day someone was asking how we are supposed to tell the muslims the folly of their ways. Maybe a first step is telling them on a Baptist web-site.
But on the other hand , you wrote some beautiful PC words.
The Truth is, not all roads lead to God.
Jesus is the only way.
Sometimes....the Truth hurts.

You accuse me falsely.
I perceive you can't read.

In brotherly love, shall we call it a draw?

Or are you purposely trying to needle me........ and who do you think will be impressed by your endeavors? No muslim will be converted by this behavior and no Christian will be edified?
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I have a dear brother, one year younger than me.
He expresses his faith very well to me.
However, he has difficulty sitting in church and hearing a sermon or reading passages of scripture.
I help him when I can and have patience with him which all other members of my family have lost.
He had a head injury at the age of 19 and it was considered a miracle that he lived.
He is now 60y/o.
He has trouble with complex communications and attention.
He is particularly concerned about the scriptures and the truth.
This doesn't bother me.
But it bothers many people who he repeatedly challenges..... sometimes openly in church which disrupts the service and has caused him to be banned. It is probably a condition of the old head injury, a difficulty he had in learning, and the process of age.
Either way, I have to simplify myself to him.

I don't know what the impediment is between what I post and what you think you understand of my post. It may be that I write too many dependant clauses and complexity in writing.

Here's hoping that you will exercise the same carefulness in reading and understanding my post as the patience I have to extend in communications with my own brother.

 

[billwald]

>How do we safeguard our freedom of religion and yet also safeguard our nation including its freedom of religion.

IT can't be done!!!!!!!!!! It is logically and pragmatically impossible in the long run.

> Islam proposes to destroy America and Christianity by violence.

The purpose of the Crusades was to destroy Islam by violence. Well, all but one crusade. The City of Florence sponsored a crusade to destroy Constantinople and the Orthodox Christian religion.

The VietNam War saying, "Kill them all and let god sort them out?" It was first said by a Catholic bishop sending troops to destroy a Anabaptist village during the Reformation (Hundred Years War?) , "Kill them all. The Lord knows his own."

 

[targus]

Billwald, you are rambling more than usual.

A little bored today are we?

 

[Dragoon68]

>How do we safeguard our freedom of religion and yet also safeguard our nation including its freedom of religion.

IT can't be done!!!!!!!!!! It is logically and pragmatically impossible in the long run.

> Islam proposes to destroy America and Christianity by violence.

The purpose of the Crusades was to destroy Islam by violence. Well, all but one crusade. The City of Florence sponsored a crusade to destroy Constantinople and the Orthodox Christian religion.

The VietNam War saying, "Kill them all and let god sort them out?" It was first said by a Catholic bishop sending troops to destroy a Anabaptist village during the Reformation (Hundred Years War?) , "Kill them all. The Lord knows his own."

Stop defending Islam! It does not merit such defense and particularly with points - like the Crusades or the Viet Nam war - that aren't related to the issue we're facing from their mission to destroy America and to destroy Christianity everywhere.

By the way, in the Viet Nam war some people certainly did use the term "Kill them all and let God sort it out!" but that was neither policy nor practice.