Bible Codes - and prophecy

Looks like you don't have any takers yet Bob.

I am not qualified to tackle this subject, except to say that I think it's a lot of junk!!

We have enough on our plates just figuring out what the actual Word says, never mind bible codes and such!!

I do think the Da Vince code is a Crock. But good luck on this one, it will be interesting to see what your church believes about such things.



Tam

 

I read the book, and saw right off it was junk(took about 5 minutes to get to the bad stuff that convinced me), I've done a little study, and still think it is junk. I even wrote the author to biblically refue what he said about God and the bible. Of course I probably was not the only one and never got an answer, not that I expected to, I just wanted him to know the biblical truths. I felt someone had to be responsable for telling this athiest the truth of scripture and Jesus.

 

I wouldn't think it ever a good idea ofr a church to use secular athiestic material for study, unless your studying the untruths as untriths and why they are not true to keep your members from falling for it all.

 

Bob you mentioned in one of the questions about the math to back it up? Also I notice that what I have see on TV when people work the code it has to do with counting so many letters ect to get the info..is this right?
Ya'll please bare with me because I'm not a wiz when it comes to physic stuff....but I do remember a old "I Love Lucy" episode to where she was using horoscopes and numeroligy(sp?). So trying to work a code (to me) would be like numeroligy(sp?).

Theres a BB member who might know more about this because in some of the post I have read about her testimony.

 

"I have had such a picnic exposing the blunders flaws and errors of those who believe in evolutoinism instead of God's Word,"

Please define "believe in." Do you differentiate between and/or have different standards of proof (evidence) for physical and metaphysical phenomena?

By using "evolutoinism" are you differentiating between the science of evolution and the philosophy of evolution as a history?

Do you differentiate between evolution and Social Darwinism?

Do you differentiate between the problems of "first cause," "abiogenics," and evolution?

What does your leading paragraph have to do with the "Bible code" problem?

 

My concern would be that passersby, seeing a sign or advertisement saying your church is teaching on 'the codes' would assume the church was not scriptural and testimonies would be ruined! Better to not try to attract the confused by using confusing words.

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html

 

Bob, you are not letting pride get to you here, are you? And instead of helping to expose "blunders, flaws, and errors," you helped drive me to the Church. So thank-you.

 

Bob, you are not letting pride get to you here, are you? And instead of helping to expose "blunders, flaws, and errors," you helped drive me to the Church. So thank-you. </font>[/QUOTE]Though I'm not planning on "swimming the Tiber", I feel the Catholics that used to post here did a much better job exposing the inconsistencies and errors of Protestantism than the other way around. (Perhaps that's why they were banned. )

 

I died some research on the Torah codes before the best-seller came out. I never read the best seller. my wife has an Indonesian copy, and I just don't have the patience to read a traslation.

There are a lot of interesting codes in the Torah. The original study indicated that it was statistically improbable that these codes would be there. The first I read about the codes, back in the early or mid-90's was that a statistician found the Hebrew for 'holocost' ecoded at an interval of 40 in one of the curses for disobedience passages. 40 is associated with judgment.

There are codes in other passages. One in the Isaiah 53 passage is rather long and some say reads like a Psalm. I forget the first part, but the last part is 'Y'shua is His name' or 'Jesus is His name.'

The guy who wrote the Bible Code book that was so popular 'cheated' by skipping letters and was debunked by the scholar he quoted. I didn't read it, but I remember talking to a friend of mine with a Hebrew translation masters degree who was researching the codes before the book came out. The thing that bothered him about the book was the crazy notion that aliens wrote the Bible. Instead of making the connection that if there are supernatural codes in the bible, that the actual text of the Bible is inspired, he jumps to these bizaar theories.

Anyway, the most important 'codes' in the Torah, I believe, are the ones at the interval of 1.

Btw, before rejecting Torah codes, think about this. The name of God is not mentioned in the book of Esther. But before the Torah codes became popular, many scholars realized that the name is 'encoded' in different passages. In the 119th psalm, stanzas start with the letter of the Psalm. The name of Babylon is 'encoded' in some books-- Jeremiah, I think, with an extra letter between each letter of the word Babylon if I remember correctly. Translators apparently see this code as referring to Babylon. So there was a lot of good precedent for 'coding' in the Bible before this came out.

 

The Bible Codes are to Bible Truth
as gambling is to earning a living.

Which reminds me of a joke

A Catholic man was hit by a car and was
comotose on the road probably dying.
In fact, the EMT noticing the Catholic symbol
worn on the neck asked: "anybody here
a Catholic priest? This man needs last rites.
A man with a Jewish hat on said "maybe I can
help?" The Jewish fellow said "I used to live next
door to a Catholic Church and I know what they
say to each other".
Not even a Catholic present, the EMT
told the Jew to see what he could do.
The Jew began to speak: "G-35, B-14, O-63 ... "

Sometimes gambling is used to bring folks to
church, but that doesn't mean we should do it.

 

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The first I read about the codes, back in the early or mid-90's was that a statistician found the Hebrew for 'holocost' ecoded at an interval of 40 in one of the curses for disobedience passages. 40 is associated with judgment.
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This here is what I ment by numeroligy (using math to foretell events?) ....isn't this wrong?

 

Numeroligy Is sorcery.

 

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Now a number of churches (including my own here in Raleigh) are doing a series called "Prophecy Code: Bible Secrets Unlocked"
http://www.prophecycode.org/

Question for the group - does this help or confusing the issue?

Is it wise or acceptable to use public interest on "codes" related to the Bible as a "take off" for our own discussions about legitimate Bible prophecy topics or is that a bad mix of lesser subjects with serious ones?

What say you?

(Here is your chance to have a go at an area where my church is exposed to criticism.)
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Bob, I could be wrong, but are you asking if would be alright to do a series and impliment SDA teaching to back it up?

 

"I believe in dumping evolutionism's junk science and sticking with objective science, independant thought and rational thinking. I also believe the Bible is really true."

"I believe" is a metaphysical statement.

 

I do not think it is a good idea to advertise like this as it is misleading. It might give people the idea that the churches doing this endorse some kind of hidden code in the Bible. I don't like the term "Bible secrets" either, as it indicates hidden meanings in the Bible. This makes it look like God's word is some kind of esoteric book with secret, hidden meanings.