Bill O'Reilly the Theologian

[SolaSaint]

I just watched The O'Reilly Factor and Bill played a clip from him and Imus this morning talking about Christianity. He stated there is only one way to Heaven. He said you must lead a good life. WOW! I'm sure the Catholic church is ready to ordain him. :BangHead:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I just watched The O'Reilly Factor and Bill played a clip from him and Imus this morning talking about Christianity. He stated there is only one way to Heaven. He said you must lead a good life. WOW! I'm sure the Catholic church is ready to ordain him. :BangHead:

This is the way non saved people think. He is indicative of the tons of RC's I have to live with in Ny & NJ. Sad right.

Then there are the atheists

 

[steaver]

I just watched The O'Reilly Factor and Bill played a clip from him and Imus this morning talking about Christianity. He stated there is only one way to Heaven. He said you must lead a good life. WOW! I'm sure the Catholic church is ready to ordain him. :BangHead:

I like watching Bill, but whenever he opens his mouth about Christianity or the bible he hasn't a clue. Notice he never gets any guest on who would actually tell him the truth about Jesus Christ, not that he would even listen though.

 

[SolaSaint]

I like watching Bill, but whenever he opens his mouth about Christianity or the bible he hasn't a clue. Notice he never gets any guest on who would actually tell him the truth about Jesus Christ, not that he would even listen though.

Good point, would love to see John MacArthur come on his show.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Youse Guys do understand how the average street RC goes about getting saved dont you? O'Reilly certainly does & is a big advocate for that type of (cheep Salvation). Why would he want to upset the apple cart.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I just watched The O'Reilly Factor and Bill played a clip from him and Imus this morning talking about Christianity. He stated there is only one way to Heaven. He said you must lead a good life. WOW! I'm sure the Catholic church is ready to ordain him. :BangHead:

That isn't Catholic Teaching.

35 Man's faculties make him capable of coming to a knowledge of the existence of a personal God. But for man to be able to enter into real intimacy with him, God willed both to reveal himself to man and to give him the grace of being able to welcome this revelation in faith.

64God forms his people in the hope of salvation, in the expectation of a new and everlasting Covenant intended for all, to be written on their hearts91 All the faithful share in understanding and handing on revealed truth. They have received the anointing of the Holy Spirit, who instructs them and guides them into all truth143 By faith, man completely submits his intellect and his will to God. With his whole being man gives his assent to God the revealer. Sacred Scripture calls this human response to God, the author of revelation, "the obedience of faith".152It is the Holy Spirit who reveals to men who Jesus is. For "no one can say "Jesus is Lord", except by the Holy Spirit", who "searches everything, even the depths of God. . No one comprehends the thoughts of God, except the Spirit of God." Only God knows God completely: we believe in the Holy Spirit because he is God. 153Faith is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him. "Before this faith can be exercised, man must have the grace of God to move and assist him; he must have the interior helps of the Holy Spirit, who moves the heart and converts it to God, who opens the eyes of the mind and 'makes it easy for all to accept and believe the truth.'"162 Faith is an entirely free gift that God makes to man. We can lose this priceless gift, as St. Paul indicated to St. Timothy: "Wage the good warfare, holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting conscience, certain persons have made shipwreck of their faith." To live, grow and persevere in the faith until the end we must nourish it with the word of God; we must beg the Lord to increase our faith; it must be "working through charity," abounding in hope, and rooted in the faith of the Church.

So you can see that Bill O'Reilly is not quite the Catholic Theologian you think he is. He obviously can't articulate his Faith properly. Faith leads to Obedience. Obedience doesn't bring about faith. Yet a Faith that is not acted on in obedience is dead. Yet without faith there is no salvation no matter how obedient one wishes to be. This is closer to Catholic teaching than Bill's tripe.

 

[steaver]

Youse Guys do understand how the average street RC goes about getting saved dont you? O'Reilly certainly does & is a big advocate for that type of (cheep Salvation). Why would he want to upset the apple cart.

What about the catholics who post on this board, do they understand salvation is only through receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour? Born again?

If they do understand this, then why would they remain in the RCC if the RCC is preaching anyone who is a do gooder gets heaven apart from faith in Jesus Christ????

It's really confusing here, we have catholics that contend one must believe on Jesus Christ, and then we have the RCC officials publically stating the contrary, even the pope himself. Does anyone in the RCC really know what to believe?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

What about the catholics who post on this board, do they understand salvation is only through receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour? Born again?

If they do understand this, then why would they remain in the RCC if the RCC is preaching anyone who is a do gooder gets heaven apart from faith in Jesus Christ????

It's really confusing here, we have catholics that contend one must believe on Jesus Christ, and then we have the RCC officials publically stating the contrary, even the pope himself. Does anyone in the RCC really know what to believe?

You can always read my post and decide for yourself.

 

[steaver]

You can always read my post and decide for yourself.

Well, this is what I am talking about. You say one must believe, the pope says even the atheist can go to heaven! What's up?

 

[preacher4truth]

I just watched The O'Reilly Factor and Bill played a clip from him and Imus this morning talking about Christianity. He stated there is only one way to Heaven. He said you must lead a good life. WOW! I'm sure the Catholic church is ready to ordain him. :BangHead:

Unfortunately this is how many who have true faith react toward those who do not display a true faith in God.

Go figure.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Well, this is what I am talking about. You say one must believe, the pope says even the atheist can go to heaven! What's up?

Well, that's not exactly what the Pope said. What the Pope did say was

"The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! . . . . Even the atheists. Everyone!"

In Catholic Theology and High Protestant theology there is a difference between Redemption, Justification, and Salvation. To get to what I mean. The council of Trent stated in its Decree of Justification

Jesus Christ, humanity's one and only Redeemer, through his sacrificial death on the Cross, redeemed both Jew and Gentile, and indeed "all men," for the purpose that the "might receive the adoption of sons." This redemption was "for our sins, and not for our sins only, but also for those of the whole world."

in other words Christ's sacrificial death is sufficient to include all men. But that doesn't mean it is applied to all men. For the atonement to be applied to any man a turning away from sin in repentance and being born again is required. And then to be Justified it requires faith as Trent goes on to say:

"[W]e are therefore said to be justified by faith, because faith is the beginning of human salvation, the foundation, and the root of all Justification; without which it is impossible to please God, and to come unto the fellowship of His sons: but we are therefore said to be justified freely, because that none of those things which precede justification-whether faith or works-merit the grace itself of justification. For, if it be a grace, it is not now by works, otherwise, as the same Apostle says, grace is no more grace

and this Justification then leads to Salvation.

So the Pope was misconstrued about his meaning but that is because many people don't know how to make a distinction between the meanings of Redemption, Justification, and Salvation. Often people mistakenly lump them into the same meaning which they do not have.

 

[Walter]

Well, this is what I am talking about. You say one must believe, the pope says even the atheist can go to heaven! What's up?

No, the pope did not say even atheists can go to Heaven. He said even atheists have the ability to do good. It was discussed in a thread I guess you have not read. The media misunderstood what the pope was saying and I guess that is what you are basing you statement on..

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

What about the catholics who post on this board, do they understand salvation is only through receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour? Born again?

If they do understand this, then why would they remain in the RCC if the RCC is preaching anyone who is a do gooder gets heaven apart from faith in Jesus Christ????

It's really confusing here, we have catholics that contend one must believe on Jesus Christ, and then we have the RCC officials publically stating the contrary, even the pope himself. Does anyone in the RCC really know what to believe?

YES there are people in the RCC who are solid Christians....just not Bill O'Reilly. Unfortunately that thinking is pervasive ---especially in the USA where the common walking around RC is just like the "Pin Head"... thats whats sad.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Well, that's not exactly what the Pope said. What the Pope did say was In Catholic Theology and High Protestant theology there is a difference between Redemption, Justification, and Salvation. To get to what I mean. The council of Trent stated in its Decree of Justification in other words Christ's sacrificial death is sufficient to include all men. But that doesn't mean it is applied to all men. For the atonement to be applied to any man a turning away from sin in repentance and being born again is required. And then to be Justified it requires faith as Trent goes on to say: and this Justification then leads to Salvation.

So the Pope was misconstrued about his meaning but that is because many people don't know how to make a distinction between the meanings of Redemption, Justification, and Salvation. Often people mistakenly lump them into the same meaning which they do not have.

I agree with that.