Birth Control ... Right or Wrong?

I see no problem with it. My wife and I used it until I had permanent birth control - a vasectomy.

 

I think for the most part Christians have bought into the secular idea that they ought to decide when they will have kids.

 

How is this a secular idea? God can still override birth control if He really wants a couple to have a child.

This came up in a heated discussion before, with no results. There were those who used birth control and those who stood in judgment of them. I hope this doesn't degenerate into that.

 

I think God gave us the ability to do this. I have seen examples where he overrode the BC. (One extreme example is a couple in which she had a tubaligation (sp?) and he had a vasectomy, and they had a kid; she had the testing done to prove to him that the baby was his, even though he never doubted her.)

We were given this planet to be good stewards of. I did the number once, and at the current population growth rate, there would be one person for every 2 sq ft of land on the planet by about the year 2330. (I don't remember the exact date that I came up with, and I don't feel like doing the numbers again, but it was in the 2300's.) If you assume that there are 100,000 inhabitable planets in the galaxy, we would have them full by about 2650.

Can God prevent that? Certainly, and who is to say that giving us the ability to create birth control is not the way that he chose to do so?

Now, there are those who say that the Lord will return first. Perhaps, but we don't know when. Personally, when we're told that it would be about 2000 years, I think that it will be somewhat close to 2000 years. But, there are those who seem to think that about 30 years can be 37 years, so who is to say that about 2000 years isn't 2700 years?

 

I agree with you! And I hope it does not again...but I fear it will.

 

Of course God can override it........He can do anything He wants. But why would I want to make Him "have" to override it?

I also hope that this does not degenerate into anger. I purposely do not think of this issue in terms of anyone else but myself. If someone else has come to a different conclusion than that is between themselves and God.

For me, Id rather have this issue be one where I get to heaven and find out I was wrong and I COULD have used birth control if I wanted to. To me it would be better to "err on the side of caution" than to use it and get to heaven and find out birth control actually was something that God frowned upon.

Do you see what I mean?

 

No one has to judge. If you use birth control pills of the major marketed kind, which is all anyone uses, you will eventually pass a zygote (baby) who was unable to implant in your uterus because of the pill. Don't judge, just do the math!

 

Ive had this discussion with my mom, because she worries.

But from my conversations with her and other ladies, Ive seen a lack of research on the subject that really disturbs me. WHen I was in college it was just assumed that Id go on the pill when I got married. (Roommates and friends.....we girls talk about these things when we get engaged ) Well when I researched it I found exactly what Bunyon is talking about here. I found that many of the forms of BC, the ones most often used, are actually causing very early deaths of a baby....not just preventing conception as is often assumed.

There are methods which do not do this, but they are not seen as very effective and don't get much attention. I think if more of us did the research for ourselves there would be more of us who would be appalled at our society.

 

We used birth control ....we also had six children .

 

Here is the inescapable logic. If you are not against abortion, then you should have no problems with BCP's. But if you are against abortion, you have no logical choice but to not use BCP's.

 

DeadMan,

I assure you, I hold no open can of worms.....

 

birth control pills -- the estrogen thing.

I think a lot of it is artificially manufactured today, but there still may be some that is gathered from pregnant mares which are kept in close stalls and their urine collected.

We have a friend who has a couple of these old mares that were rescued. They are neurotic, scared of open spaces, and very difficult to handle. They have been mentally destroyed. I know the second link says they are treated beautifully, but that is not what we are seeing, at least in these cases.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2002/dec2002_cover_premarin_01.html

http://www.auri.org/news/ainjul98/mare.htm

http://www.pcrm.org/health/prevmed/hormone_replacement.html

As far as actual birth control goes, unless there is a health issue involved, isn't that God's perogative?

 

Hopefully singles use birth control--abstinence.

 

In response to the topic title. Is BC wrong or right?

The Bible says nothing one way or the other so really its going to be a matter of preferance. Case closed.

 

"The Bible says nothing one way or the other so really its going to be a matter of preferance. Case closed."-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It does not say one thing or the other about abortion either, so I guess the case is closed on that too.

 

But it dose say that muder is sin Bunyon, abortion is murder so abortion is wrong. Most methods of BC do not destroy life.

 

But all the commonly used BCP's do. So you sould qualify your statement. BCP's would then be murder. I know lots of folks who use them and I don't bother them, but the logic is infallible.