Bonds ties Aaron

Well, yeehaw for Bonds. All this preposterous reporting and trailing him around and putting him on every sports news show is sickening. Why does baseball get so nutty about "records?"

On the other hand, considering what board this is, I was guardedly amused when I saw the title of this thread indicating that Aaron is tied with bonds.

 

Records were once a large part of what baseball was about. It was a fun thing to compare your favs to the folks of the past and it was fun to study the back of the trading cards. Then the athletes decided that it would be better to cheat than to work their way to the top naturally. I once loved the sport, but now I just weep for it as it is not immune to the corruption of this world. Barry can break Hanks record but it will be largely irrelevant as who knows how many Hank would've hit if he was doped up with HGH. The only thing Mr. Bonds is worthy of on this matter is a big....
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Barry, cheated on baseball, cheated on his taxes, & cheated on his wife.

He's a cheater.

The thing is, Babe Ruth hit his home runs while bringing his team several world series chamionships. That and his 100 pitching wins make him the best player, ever. Bonds has played in one world series, and his dismal left fielding, and absence of clutch hitting made sure the Giants never stood a chance of winning.

Hank Aaron may have hit more home runs than Ruth, but he was not a better hitter. Bonds is a scar on baseball, and he can't go away fast enough.

 

Are you sure about this statement? If I recall Aaron has better hitting stats in just about all categories compared to Ruth, but maybe I am mistaken. Anyone have the numbers?

As for Bonds, I am tired of hearing about it. I will be glad when he breaks the record and we can stop hearing about him so much. I also hope that ARod or someone breaks the record in a few years so it will not belong to Bonds.

 

I'm absolutely 100% positive.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=ruthba01

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=aaronha01

Especially the average, slugging, & obp.

Aaron took a lot longer, but did get more hits, more doubles, etc, but Ruth was much more valuable to his team, my opinion.

 

Thanks.

How do you figure from these numbers Ruth was the better overall hitter?

Aaron has more hits, doubles, HRs, RBI's...

Ruth has more triples, average, OBP, and Slugging...

How does that make Ruth better?

 

Because Aaron had to play a lot longer than Ruth to get those hits, but did not come close to his averages. Ruth had 8399 career at bats, Aaron had 12364.


Who was a better hitter, Ty Cobb, or Pete Rose ?

 

Ok fair enough, I see your point. No doubt both of them were great hitters.

We can agree on the fact that Bonds is a scar on baseball and we will be glad he is gone.

 

No doubt. And thanx for the questions, I really love going over those old stats.

 

Bonds is one big asterisk in my mind. His record won't stand for long, though. I think A-Rod has a good shot of breaking it - he has the body type that looks like it will stay durable as he gets older. But I'm not much of an A-Rod fan. I'm rooting for Pujols to have a long career and break it - now there is a class act.

 

Now that he's cheated his way to the top of the HR chart, I hope Bonds just goes away.

 

And we know that ARod and Pujols have never taken steroids because.....?????? (They've had as many postive tests as Bonds)

We know that Aaron never took any "greenies" which were so prevalent in Baseball during the 60s/70s because......?????

We know that Babe Ruth would have been just as an impressive hitter if he had to face the best players in the world, instead of doing it in a segregated league, because....????


Its the questions that make baseball what it is.

 

We don't. However, we know that Bonds used steroids because he admitted it. Do you remember the cream that he used that he supposedly didn't know what was in it? It was steroids! Bonds used steroids. This is an established fact. Your attempt to smear ARod and Pujols doesn't take away from the fact that Bonds admitted it.

Has Aaron ever admitted to using them? Is there any verifiable evidence of it? Do you have anything to offer other than your guilty-by-association fallacy? If so, please present your sources. Otherwise, what we have here is another smear without supporting evidence.

What does this have to do with anything?

You think the smearing of other player's reputations makes baseball great?

 

Well, we don't know anything about A-Rod or Pujols, because there is no evidence or even any accusations of such. On the other hand, we do know from grand jury testimonies that Bonds did take illegal performance-enhancing substances. Next question?

Again, where is the evidence and where are the accusations that Aaron took greenies? There are none. Next question?

This is a red herring, and it has nothing to do with the current debate. People forget that if MLB had been completely segregated, that not only would the league have included the best black players (and hispanics, etc.), but it would have also included the marginal and average black players. In other words, the league may have been diluted to the same degree as it already was. And lastly, it is not Ruth's fault that the league was segregated. But it is Bonds' fault that he is a cheater.

I agree, but the [rhetorical] questions you asked were largely irrelevant and really contributed nothing to the discussion.

 

cc beat me to the punch - very similar posts, eh?

 

Sounds like great minds to me. :thumbs:

 

But questions make for debate.


Any player of Ruth's era will have questions about how they would have faired against open competition.

Any player of Aaron's era will have questions about the use of uppers and downers.

Any player of Bonds' era will have questions about the use of steriods...even before MLB started testing for them.


The players are a part of their era in baseball...the rules seldom change, but the records are always changing and questioned when stacked against other eras.

 

Smear tactics do not.

As Andy pointed out, it's not Babe's fault that baseball was segregated. It is the fault of Bonds, Sosa, McGwire and Palmeiro that they cheated.

I'm a pretty well-read sports fan, and you are literally the first person I've ever heard suggest this. Do you have some evidence to present that Aaron took these drugs?

Yes, an unfortunate by-product of what Bonds, McGwire, Sosa and Palmeiro did was to tarnish other players. However, it doesn't mean that ARod, nor Pujols, took steroids.