“BONE-day” combining day
Ituttut, this for you, on the problematics of the 14th day
GE:
NOTE:
I have only as recently as this month of August the year of our Lord 2011, come to realise that I was MISTAKEN! That with the exodus – ON NISAN 14 –, UNLEAVENED bread was indeed eaten “IN THAT NIGHT” BEFORE, “in this selfsame day I have brought your armies out”— “the flesh … WITH unleavened bread”. Exodus 12:8, 17.
In the light of this ‘discovery’ to me …
How do you explain, ES, that Exodus places sacrifice of sacrifice of passover AND, eat of sacrifice of passover, on Nisan 14, while all the rest of the Law and the Old Testament and the New Testament (by implication), places sacrifice of sacrifice of passover on Nisan 14, but eat of sacrifice of passover, “the flesh WITH unleavened bread” on “the first”, of the “SEVEN days ye shall eat UNLEAVENED bread”— i.e., ON NISAN 15?
AS:
Ummm - I think the majority of us are not Israelites. I'm a child of God under the New Covenant. I don't need to worry about Passover.
GE:
AS, you say you don't worry or don't need to worry about passover? Just read how careful God commanded the Israelites - whom he saved - had to “observe this night": "A night to be carefully observed". Ja, especially since you are professing to be a Christian, to whom everything written – “ALL Scripture … is profitable … for instruction in righteousness”, yea in the Righteousness of our Passover and Lamb of God— the passover Scriptures more than any.
However, "Christ our Passover", is not what the OT says; it is what the NT declares for the saving truth of God; and unless Christ be a Christian's Righteousness and Passover Lamb, I'm afraid he cannot take too much joy in the truth of being under the New Testament.
ES:
I believe you to be attempting, albeit unwittingly, to confute and combine, the Passover meal that was eaten in haste, on 14 Abib/Nisan, as per Exodus, with the meal of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which all the OT places on 15 Nisan.
"Sigh!" (That's my version of a heavy sigh, for those reading this.)
Sorry, Gerhard Ebersöhn, I'm the one 'inside the line' since "fifteenth day" (of any month) is never even mentioned in Scripture, until the giving of the Law of the feast days found in Lev. 23. That phrase is not to be found in any of the three books that are commonly considered to precede Leviticus, namely Job, as well as (logically) Genesis and Exodus. Hence, there would be no reason to mention the specific Feast Day of "Unleavened Bread" on 15 Abib/Nisan prior to this.
Merely read Lev. 23, (as well as other places that mention "fifteenth"). (No, I will not quote the entire chapter, but merely some of the relevant verses, with the appropriate parts highlighted.)
1 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
4 ‘These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’”
9 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 10 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. 11 He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12 And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, a male lamb of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt offering to the LORD. 13 Its grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to the LORD, for a sweet aroma; and its drink offering shall be of wine, one-fourth of a hin. 14 You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. (Lev. 23:1-14 - NKJV, text only)
Did you happen to notice that neither "Passover" nor "first-fruits" are said to be either "Sabbaths" or an "holy convocation", here? And in fact, the 'wave sheaf' was to be waved specifically, on the day after the Sabbath!
Ituttut, this for you, on the problematics of the 14th day
GE:
NOTE:
I have only as recently as this month of August the year of our Lord 2011, come to realise that I was MISTAKEN! That with the exodus – ON NISAN 14 –, UNLEAVENED bread was indeed eaten “IN THAT NIGHT” BEFORE, “in this selfsame day I have brought your armies out”— “the flesh … WITH unleavened bread”. Exodus 12:8, 17.
In the light of this ‘discovery’ to me …
How do you explain, ES, that Exodus places sacrifice of sacrifice of passover AND, eat of sacrifice of passover, on Nisan 14, while all the rest of the Law and the Old Testament and the New Testament (by implication), places sacrifice of sacrifice of passover on Nisan 14, but eat of sacrifice of passover, “the flesh WITH unleavened bread” on “the first”, of the “SEVEN days ye shall eat UNLEAVENED bread”— i.e., ON NISAN 15?
AS:
Ummm - I think the majority of us are not Israelites. I'm a child of God under the New Covenant. I don't need to worry about Passover.
GE:
AS, you say you don't worry or don't need to worry about passover? Just read how careful God commanded the Israelites - whom he saved - had to “observe this night": "A night to be carefully observed". Ja, especially since you are professing to be a Christian, to whom everything written – “ALL Scripture … is profitable … for instruction in righteousness”, yea in the Righteousness of our Passover and Lamb of God— the passover Scriptures more than any.
However, "Christ our Passover", is not what the OT says; it is what the NT declares for the saving truth of God; and unless Christ be a Christian's Righteousness and Passover Lamb, I'm afraid he cannot take too much joy in the truth of being under the New Testament.
ES:
I believe you to be attempting, albeit unwittingly, to confute and combine, the Passover meal that was eaten in haste, on 14 Abib/Nisan, as per Exodus, with the meal of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which all the OT places on 15 Nisan.
"Sigh!" (That's my version of a heavy sigh, for those reading this.)
Sorry, Gerhard Ebersöhn, I'm the one 'inside the line' since "fifteenth day" (of any month) is never even mentioned in Scripture, until the giving of the Law of the feast days found in Lev. 23. That phrase is not to be found in any of the three books that are commonly considered to precede Leviticus, namely Job, as well as (logically) Genesis and Exodus. Hence, there would be no reason to mention the specific Feast Day of "Unleavened Bread" on 15 Abib/Nisan prior to this.
Merely read Lev. 23, (as well as other places that mention "fifteenth"). (No, I will not quote the entire chapter, but merely some of the relevant verses, with the appropriate parts highlighted.)
1 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
4 ‘These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’”
9 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 10 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. 11 He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12 And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, a male lamb of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt offering to the LORD. 13 Its grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to the LORD, for a sweet aroma; and its drink offering shall be of wine, one-fourth of a hin. 14 You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. (Lev. 23:1-14 - NKJV, text only)
Did you happen to notice that neither "Passover" nor "first-fruits" are said to be either "Sabbaths" or an "holy convocation", here? And in fact, the 'wave sheaf' was to be waved specifically, on the day after the Sabbath!