BUY your way into Heaven! PLEASE!

[Claudia_T]

It seems that what many do not understand here as well, is the fact that ABSOLUTELY!!! your works cannot buy your salvation!!! a hundred times yes that is TRUE!!!


Rv:22:17: And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life FREELY.


But here is a secret... which harmonizes everything...

Rv:3:18: I counsel thee to BUY OF ME gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Now why would in one place it represent this as FREE then in another as something you must BUY???


wellllllllllllllllllllllllllll....

Remember the parable of the Pearl OF GREAT PRICE?


The parable has a double meaning. Jesus gave His all to redeem us and we must give our all to receive Him...
1Cor:6:20: For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

You cannot rely on your own efforts to serve God and do it to try to secure your own salvation, such service to God is absolutely useless! Your heart must be moved by a deep seated love for God.

If we realize how much Christ gave for us, how can we not desire, when contemplating His great sacrifice, to give our all for Him in return? What do we give up, when we give all? A sin-polluted heart, for Jesus to purify, to cleanse by His own blood, and to save by His matchless love.

We "Buy" from God by simply giving Him our hearts to cleanse and to purify from sin. We HAVE BEEN BOUGHT with a price! Our hearts no longer belong to us! If we think they do then we are under a huge deception.

Yes salvation IS FREE! We could never ever do anything to earn it. But if we REFUSE to GIVE GOD WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY HIS in return.... well FORGET IT!!!

...and that is the way that it is. Too bad so many just do not understand this concept.


SIMPLY PUT: IF we do not have good works we prove that we have no real genuine faith in Jesus Christ.

Let me tell you something. You, by giving your heart to Christ to cleanse and purify are NOT "earning your salvation" by doing that. YOU ARE GIVING TO CHRIST WHAT IS ALREADY HIS!!!!

it does not belong to you! GOD OWNS YOU! Jesus BOUGHT YOU!

therefore it isnt as if you actually "bought" anything, and yes, salvation IS FREE!

But the man in the parable of the Pearl of GREAT PRICE, well he WAS WILLING TO GIVE UP EVERYTHING in order to secure that Pearl!

you see we actually do BUY our way into heaven! by giving God what was already His. just as the man in the parable of the Pearl OF GREAT PRICE was willing to GIVE UP ALL he has to secure the Pearl.


Yet salvation is FREE...

If people would just understand this one little simple concept, there would cease to be all of this moaning and groaning about people advocating a "works based salvation". (well actually some might be advocating that, but it is most assuredly not me).


Claudia

 

[donnA]

If we've been bought, then how do we buy what we were bought for?
If we in any way have to 'buy' anything, then it wasn't free.

 

[Allan]

Yes, but what you are missing is this point concerning works. It is not about you keeping what you did not earn for the price was to high for you to even aquire. And as you stated we are Christs so in turn we are not our own to go our own way from Him. Works will not help you keep salvation. See in this construct Works are the REASON you stay saved and therefore it DOES play a part of your salvation. Because Christ did not secure His purchase of You. You were not fully redeemed without your works.

Where the opposite constructs state your will continue to do what by nature you do (being saved and doing good works). You are redeemed regardless of what you COULD do. Those works are the result howevers due to what He has done IN YOU. They have nothing to with salvation in light of Gods judgment for that has been satified in Christ. Works are the evedence of Christ in Us. IF there is no changed life then there will be no works, then by virtue of the scriptures can speak with that person to examine themselve to see if they are in the faith as says the scriptures by Paul. In this construct you ARE full redeemed and works play no part in the redemption. IT is proof you have been redeemed.

It seem a fine line of the surface but it is a wide chasm that never meets when researched.
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[donnA]

Claudia, I have a question.
Is the stuff you post here your personaly beliefs only, or are they the teachings of the SDA?

 

[BobRyan]

Though Claudia is wording this a little differently - here is what I find in scripture ...

Isaiah 55
1 ""Ho! Every one who thirsts, come to the waters; And you who have no money come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk Without money and without cost.
2 ""Why do you spend money for what is not bread, And your wages for what does not satisfy? Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good, And delight yourself in abundance.
3 "" Incline your ear and come to Me. Listen, that you may live; And I will make an everlasting covenant with you, According to the faithful mercies shown to David.

Admittedly this is from the "ALL Scripture" mentioned in 2Tim 3:16 -- but scripture still.

Claudia's "it takes everything to serve the Lord" is found in Matt 10
37 "" He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.[/b]
38 ""And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me[/b].
39 "" He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.

 

[Claudia_T]

Claudia, I have a question.
Is the stuff you post here your personaly beliefs only, or are they the teachings of the SDA?

Hi Donna,

Most of what I post here are things I just study about in the Bible, some of the main beliefs like the Sabbath, Hell, What happens when you die... those are the SDA teachings.

This particular thread is sort of a mixture. With things I added to some of the teachings of our church.

Claudia

 

[Claudia_T]

If we've been bought, then how do we buy what we were bought for?
If we in any way have to 'buy' anything, then it wasn't free.

Because the term "Buy" just means to give back to God what was His to begin with.

In one sense you are giving something but in another sense you are not. Giving God your sinful heart isnt exactly "buying" something like as in works to earn something.

 

[donnA]

In no sense of the word does 'buy' mean give something back to someone it already belongs too. Buy means to make a purchase, you pay a price and you have earned the right to own the item purchased.

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

Exactly! God bought me with a price and I am eternally His. There is nothing I can do to add or subtract to that fact.

I feel sorry for people who try to buy their way into Heaven for they will never make it.

 

[Claudia_T]

Isaiah 55
1 ""Ho! Every one who thirsts, come to the waters; And you who have no money come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk Without money and without cost.


I sure do wish people would listen

 

[BobRyan]

Indeed why address this -- when it is so much more fun to ignore it and pretend that everything being said here is "made up" (though I will admit it is not what I am used to seeing)

...


Isaiah 55
1 ""Ho! Every one who thirsts, come to the waters; And you who have no money come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk Without money and without cost.
2 ""Why do you spend money for what is not bread, And your wages for what does not satisfy? Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good, And delight yourself in abundance.
3 "" Incline your ear and come to Me. Listen, that you may live; And I will make an everlasting covenant with you, According to the faithful mercies shown to David.


Admittedly this is from the "ALL Scripture" mentioned in 2Tim 3:16 -- but scripture still.

Claudia's "it takes everything to serve the Lord" is found in

Matt 10
37 "" He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.[/b]
38 ""And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me[/b].
39 "" He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.

 

[Shiloh]

Though Claudia is wording this a little differently - here is what I find in scripture ...By good ol in christ Bob

How many times do you have to fix Claudie's "wrong doctrine?" You would think a fellow as smart as you would write her off as a heretic like the rest of us.....all except Ed, who calls you and her "saints?"




1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
What part of these verses don't you people understand?

 

[BobRyan]

Hey! you ignored the scripture I gave in that post.

how "surprisingly consistent"

Please Try again.

(hmmm - post number 11 comes to mind)

 

[Shiloh]

Indeed why address this -- when it is so much more fun to ignore it and pretend that everything being said here is "made up" (though I will admit it is not what I am used to seeing)by in christ Bob

We adress this because you people have twisted Scripture to back up your false teaching so much and so often you are even confusing yourselves!

Our eternal Salvation was purchased by God through His Son The Lord Jesus Christ before the world began

1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers; 1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Don't want to give you to much, don't want you to choke.

 

[Allan]

How much did God charge them for those commodities?
Nothing, because you can't buy them. It is a natural part of who you are IF you are IN Christ.

Christ in you who GAVE it to you.

This is what God is telling them. You can't buy what you were not given, and only those IN CHrist have them. You can't actually buy them in ANY sense of the word. You can't give ANYTHING to aquire them. They are GIVEN from God.

 

[Claudia_T]

I can hardly believe that people cannot understand this simple concept. Its like after all I have said to explain it, they didnt even hear it.. Its not as if you are really "buying" your way into heaven or "working your way" into heaven.

Jesus ALREADY BOUGHT YOU and you are to just give back to Him what is HIS...

gosh thats an awfully easy thing to get. You would think.

Claudia

 

[Ed Edwards]

Ah yes, the 'damning each other to hell' quartet.
This seems rather silly, from those who can see what is going on.
There is a clash of metaphors.

Metaphor 1: God's Salvation for people is like a Free Gift.
Metaphor 2: God's Salvation for people is like a Pricy Purchase.

And there is no clash in truth, just in illogic; we are talking
only certain attributes of each comparisin, not all attributes.

God's Salvation is, to the person who receives it, a free gift.
Indeed, the person cannot pay for it, can only recieve
God's Salvation. None of us deserve God's salvation,
yet we can receive it. God's Salvation of human persons
is a Free Gift to those who receive it.

God's Salvation is a pricy purchase:
it cost the largest sum that could be paid: the
Architect of the Universe, the God of Creation, had to
pay the price of His Only Begotten Son.
Jesus, the Very Prime Son of God Almighty
bought the whole of God's Salvation of Individual
persons: indeed such Salvation is the Pricy Purchase.

Or as the songster sang:

//I owed a Debt, I could not pay;
He paid a Debt, He did not owe.//

 

[Ed Edwards]

How much did God charge them for those commodities?
Nothing, because you can't buy them. It is a natural part of who you are IF you are IN Christ.

Christ in you who GAVE it to you.

This is what God is telling them. You can't buy what you were not given, and only those IN CHrist have them. You can't actually buy them in ANY sense of the word. You can't give ANYTHING to aquire them. They are GIVEN from God.

Amen, Brother Allan - Think you for your orthodox description
of true doctrine, I see you are a Baptist.

 

[Ed Edwards]

I can hardly believe that people cannot understand this simple concept. Its like after all I have said to explain it, they didnt even hear it.. Its not as if you are really "buying" your way into heaven or "working your way" into heaven.

Jesus ALREADY BOUGHT YOU and you are to just give back to Him what is HIS...

gosh thats an awfully easy thing to get. You would think.

Claudia

Amen, Sister Claudia_T - You have a Orthodox view of
God's Salvation. I note Sister Claudia_T is a SDA Christian.

 

[Allan]

I can hardly believe that people cannot understand this simple concept. Its like after all I have said to explain it, they didnt even hear it.. Its not as if you are really "buying" your way into heaven or "working your way" into heaven.

Jesus ALREADY BOUGHT YOU and you are to just give back to Him what is HIS...

gosh thats an awfully easy thing to get. You would think.

Claudia

Great! So you believe that when a person places their faith in Christ at that moment till the judgment seat they are secure in Christ and there will be absolutely no question of whether they will be eternally with Him. They will be judged on Christs suffient work ALONE and nothing else to deterning their eternal destiny with Him.